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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime »

frequentnapper wrote: post #460
nendroid wrote: post #438

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I'm not. Imagine yourself in the shoes of the person who was killed by a bombing. Imagine yourself knowing family members or your kids getting slaughtered by these terrorist attacks. Let me put it to you clearly. The situation is complex, no side is right, but to bury the action of one side and justify the actions of another because it's convenient for some stupid US-China rivalry is the wrong way to view it. I'm not…

I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide. I am not saying that jihadist extremism is not to blame. But I don't think an entire Uighur culture is to blame either and especially not Uighur people who are…

>I'm not American so the US-China rivalry comment is not relevant to me. If my family was killed by a bombing attack I would want to get to the bottom of why it happened in the first place without just blaming an entire population and justifying their genocide.

When someone bombs your family you take the time to find out why they were bombed and try to understand the otherside before shutting down the otherside.

But when someone voices their own opinion. You just call their opinion disgusting and accuse them of genocide.

The man is obviously not supporting genocide. If the chinese are supporting genocide than the man obviously doesn't know but an accusation of genocide needs extreme proof and right now there's only rumors.

Maybe what's really going on is you're selectively applying your empathy to whatever suits your preconceived viewpoint.

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Post by throwaway202010 »

This is so much worse than anything I’ve read on the subject up until now. As someone who has worked closely with a man who was born, raised, and educated in China, I can attest to the brutality of the regime. He simply would not say anything negative about CCP. The fear was more real than simple anxiousness. I sensed that he believed there could be real consequences for crossing the government, even in private in a conversation with someone in the US.

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Post by eloff »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #470
slashdev wrote: post #384

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I'm using "you" to refer to the reader, not the OP. English can be confusing at times.

I learned to say "one" instead of "you".

Yeah, that would have been clearer, I should try that.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by eloff »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #308
eloff wrote: post #259

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You're getting down-voted because trump derangement syndrome. But it's true. No President has taken a harder line on China and the CCP. If you're in the US and you want to do something about the CCP, probably the most effective thing you could do is vote Trump. And I'm saying this as liberal who can't stand Trump. If that's effective for the long-term future and prosperity of the US, which is also important to counte…

Maybe Trump has started changes for the better. Let's hope. My personal worry is that he (and the US in general) is mainly about business and will ignore the human rights abuses as long as the money is right. The friendly position towards Saudi Arabia seems to indicate that.

Yes, to be fair I don't think he's being tough on China for humanitarian reasons. Nevertheless, I would say the outcome here matters more than his motivation.

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Post by nerdtime »

ahthat wrote: post #474
nendroid wrote: post #350

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Nobody is advocating genocide here. This is completely obvious, it is not his intention... you are exaggerating the situation. Who in their right mind would do this? And if you read his post it's obvious he is not doing this. The chinese actions are atrocious but an accusation of saying that holocaust level genocide is getting advocated here is a huge difference. You can tell him he's wrong because you believe that t…

I suppose it’s possible, sometimes there is no “good” side, both sides might be bad and have committed atrocities.

And it's also possible China is completely in the wrong. I'm not even advocating for an even sided situation, I'm advocating understanding the situation first before throwing an accusation.

What we do know is this... we have people on the inside of Hong Kong and we know that in Hong Kong China is not conducting mass genocide or opening up re-education camps in Hong Kong. This is different from what's happening with the Uighurs... we need to know what prompted China to react much more heavily against the Uighurs (as opposed to Hong Kong) and we also need to confirm whether the alleged "genocide" is real.

The post that was called disgusting is indeed a valid alternative viewpoint quite possibly from someone closer to the situation than your average white guy.

Also keep the outrage in check. Even a modern western country in 2020 is capable of this crap. The US has their own detention camps open today. It exists using a technique called extraordinary rendition to get around American laws. The camp is called gitmo and there are some real pictures about some really horrible shit that went down at gitmo.

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Post by mmm_grayons »

token78 wrote: post #440
chadcmulligan wrote: post #422

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Australia is - its stood up to china - in a fairly minor way - demanding an investigation into the origins of covid 19. It's now involved in a tit for tat thats probably going to cost a lot.

Australia and Japan and a number of Asia-Pacific nations have joined the CPTPP - the reality is that the main driving force has been a mission to build a trading coalition in which the participating states can extricate themselves (and the supply chains of their businesses) from what has become a dependency on cheap Chinese goods/manufacture. Hot take - embracing the trans-pacific partnership is the best thing we can…

You're absolutely right. The thing America most needs to do is open her borders to truly free trade with the world, with the exception of Red China and a few other nations we want to topple. More than that, we need to build free trade areas (of which we are a part) in those areas, strengthening them further against her influence. We need everyone else on our side and that's a great way to make progress towards that goal.

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Post by eloff »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #480
throw51319 wrote: post #296

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What kind of fool would vote 3rd party in an election with the gravity of this one? This isn't the time to make some symbolic stand, it's time to vote Trump out - if that's what you believe in.

I am making a stand to not support either of the corrupt big parties in the US. I can't vote for one guy only because the other guy is bad. The democrats should have put up a candidate people actually want to vote for. They didn't do that either in 2016 or 2020. Not being Trump is not a good program.

Do the Democratic party have their collective heads in the sand? What were they thinking putting forward Biden.

If they lose this election it's because they threw it. All they had to do was field anyone in good health (Biden isn't) who wasn't widely detested and they would have had it in the bag.

The party system in the US leaves so much to be desired.

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Post by chadcmulligan »

token78 wrote: post #440
chadcmulligan wrote: post #422

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Australia is - its stood up to china - in a fairly minor way - demanding an investigation into the origins of covid 19. It's now involved in a tit for tat thats probably going to cost a lot.

Australia and Japan and a number of Asia-Pacific nations have joined the CPTPP - the reality is that the main driving force has been a mission to build a trading coalition in which the participating states can extricate themselves (and the supply chains of their businesses) from what has become a dependency on cheap Chinese goods/manufacture. Hot take - embracing the trans-pacific partnership is the best thing we can…

Indeed you can't trade with a partner who uses trade as a weapon - it does occur to me that china thinks the same of the US. We're just the smaller monkey getting hit down the line.

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Post by nerdtime »

DevKoala wrote: post #204
nerdtime wrote: post #190

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>Maybe if you believed in your argument you’d reply with your real account, not a green one. Looking at his karma which is barely anything in all accounts likely he has no real account. Also the usage of other accounts is likely a symptom of a post limit. Either he can respond to you with another account, or he can ignore you because he can't respond with the same account. Either way these actions are not sanctioned…

I am not defending the wars the USA has had. I also feel that the number of collateral damage in the past two decades has been absurd and unjustified. I did not vote for the man who allowed drone strikes on children. Thankfully, the United States has made an effort in the past four years to leave the Middle East. Nevertheless, this does not justify the actions of the CCP eradicating a whole culture and it’s people. T…

Nobody said you were defending the US. Nobody tried to justify anything. No argument was made in favor of anything.

All he asked you was a question:

If there were terrorist attacks happening today that are responsible for killing hundreds of americans with no end in sight how would you stop it? What actions would you take to shut down these terrorist cells as fast as possible? What compromises would you make? The only thing you know is that the terrorist acts come from a small cultural ethnic group and that your family could be part of the next attack.

If you knew the perfect answer to this question that could be answered without compromising a single ethical principle, than likely China would've known the answer as well.

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Post by seppin »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #468
stale2002 wrote: post #394

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The point bring that your original comparison is a bad analogy. It should be obvious to you that something that effects millions of people is much worse than the CIA thing that only effected a couple hundred.

I didn't make an analogy. I asked a straightforward question. I'm unclear why you or anyone else might be creating analogies in your heads. It's even less clear why you want me to have made them.

You are the one shifting the discussion away from China to the US. We played that game, now you're upset that your efforts at deflection worked.
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