Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

varsity.co.uk

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

431–440 of 627 posts

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#431

Post by xxpor »

Diesel555 wrote: post #421
throw_m239339 wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CCP must not go unpunished. The CCP already went unpunished with the Tibetans. Very few people in the west cared and it was before China became member of the WTO. The current administration tried to impose tariffs on China which were deemed illegal by the WTO. Maybe the west should have cared BEFORE welcoming China in the WTO.

Yes, but arguing we didn’t already do something so we shouldn’t start now isn’t right. I know that isn’t your point, and agreed on the WTO. As a mass we will never sacrifice a 10% cheaper product to stop inhumanities. We need to elect officials who will handle that via economics. I’ve always been a fan of taxing Chinese imports to offset this factor. If only we can just keep partisan politics out of the discussions a…

There will never be a hot war between China and the US. Or if there is, it'll be the end of the world so it doesn't matter. Two nuclear triad powers simply can't fight directly.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#432

Post by netsharc »

abc-xyz wrote: post #377
ansible wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And accomplished jack-all. The real problem is not China producing cheap steel, but human rights abuses, and censorship. 45 hasn't done anything about that.

Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done to stand up to China. I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him. - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies to…

> I challenge everyone to name a single person (or country, or continent) who’s done more than him.

Kublai Khan. For your education: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_China . To respond to your hyperbole, he actually conquered China rather than issue some decrees which you're counting as "winning".

Obviously (from my point of view; I could be wrong...) you're a deluded Trump supporter and there's no point in trying to convince you what a terrible president he is and to show you how he hadn't even considered how his policies (domestic as well as foreign) could (and did) backfire and disadvantage American businesses and consumers, but maybe I can convince you to consider this, written about Primary Candidate Trump in December 2015: https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/15/the-donald-and-...

> Bear in mind that embarrassment, and the desire to avoid it, are enormously important sources of motivation. [...]. Nobody likes looking like a chump, and most people will go to great lengths to convince themselves that they weren’t.

> Now think about someone who has been supporting Trump since the summer. For the Trump bubble to burst, many people like that would have to slap their foreheads and say, “Wow, he’s not a serious person! What was I thinking?”

> And very few people ever do that sort of thing. Someone who has spent months supporting Trump despite establishment denunciations — which means something like a third of Republicans — will go to great lengths to avoid conceding that he has been foolish. At this point such people will insist that any negative reports about Trump are the product of hostile mainstream media; Trump’s very durability so far is likely to make him highly resilient looking forward.

But who knows, maybe I (and the Not-Trump voting folk) are the chumps, eh? To quote Orwell (full essay: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...):

> [W]e are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#433

Post by whoknew1122 »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #250
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

Any Amazon engineers want to comment on why a country of origin flag is not on every product? Has this been discussed internally at Amazon?

Not an Amazon engineer (I work at AWS). But how would that be workable at Amazon's scale?

Who declares the country of origin? Who ensures compliance for item? How is compliance done? Do you review every single item?

How do you ensure that manufacturers update their country of origin declaration if/wehen they change downstream procurement? If you the raw materials are sourced in China and assembled in Vietnam, does that count as a Vietnamese product?

Amazon still has trouble with fake reviews, brushing scams, and straight-up counterfeits. Adding another system that needs to be policed doesn't seem like a very good idea. Especially when that system (country of origin flag on every product) has questionable upside.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#435

Post by FpUser »

seppin wrote: post #330
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was the UN ever unified against CIA torture policies? I don't recall. It may be that the UN is strongly reluctant to call out abominations by superpowers.

Did the CIA operate concentration camps for millions of people? No, it ran guantanamo bay which had at it's peak 140 prisoners. My kingdom for a little perspective.

No need for your little perspective. The US had started numerous wars that had killed, crippled, impoverished etc countless people.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#438

Post by nendroid »

frequentnapper wrote: post #410
nendroid wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I minded. Because his opinion is in line with what the Chinese perspective. We as americans vehemently disagree, but a chinese citizen, after witnessing several terrorist attacks by the Uighur which slaughtered hundreds of chinese people, will obviously have a different perspective. This isn't a one time isolated incident... these were multiple attacks occurring with no end in sight. Rather than not minding insults t…

Uighur attacks only happened after a decade of repression. The CCP govt moved Han chinese into the region and took away employment and other things that Uighurs used to enjoy turning them into second class citizens. Some people out of frustration committed the attacks which is exactly what CCP wanted to fully go in and start clearing and fully occupying them. You sound like a Han Chinese. Imagine yourself in their sh…

I'm not.

Imagine yourself in the shoes of the person who was killed by a bombing. Imagine yourself knowing family members or your kids getting slaughtered by these terrorist attacks.

Let me put it to you clearly. The situation is complex, no side is right, but to bury the action of one side and justify the actions of another because it's convenient for some stupid US-China rivalry is the wrong way to view it.

I'm not saying either side was right. I'm saying it's wrong to comment on how this is disgusting. It is a valid opposing perspective, just like how your perspective is valid.

What isn't valid is insults and a mass mob mentality.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

#440

Post by token78 »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #422
lordnacho wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real issue is that we don't care to hurt ourselves enough in punishing the Chinese. If they were some minor country that supplied all the world's bananas someone could potentially put together something like that, and we'd all live without bananas for a while. But China makes just about everything, and not just cheap and simple stuff anymore. In game theory (and experiments with real people) sometimes it makes se…

Australia is - its stood up to china - in a fairly minor way - demanding an investigation into the origins of covid 19. It's now involved in a tit for tat thats probably going to cost a lot.

Australia and Japan and a number of Asia-Pacific nations have joined the CPTPP - the reality is that the main driving force has been a mission to build a trading coalition in which the participating states can extricate themselves (and the supply chains of their businesses) from what has become a dependency on cheap Chinese goods/manufacture. Hot take - embracing the trans-pacific partnership is the best thing we can do to contain the rising influence and ambitions of Xi Jinping's China.
Post reply on HN