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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by twat »

crispyporkbites wrote: post #254
brianhorakh wrote: post #212

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Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

Replace Uigher with Jew, Chinese with German and CCP with Nazi and this comment would have fit right into 1939

Except the CCP is the literal opposite of Facist...

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Post by seppin »

FpUser wrote: post #435
seppin wrote: post #330

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Did the CIA operate concentration camps for millions of people? No, it ran guantanamo bay which had at it's peak 140 prisoners. My kingdom for a little perspective.

No need for your little perspective. The US had started numerous wars that had killed, crippled, impoverished etc countless people.

War is a different topic, if you keep changing (the topic) no discussion is possible.

Which might be your goal.

Also China has gone to war with and enslaved as many people as they had the capacity for. Pretending otherwise is weird.

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Post by monoideism »

shripadk wrote: post #85
akiselev wrote: post #72

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The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is once again find our principles Yes we can. Boycott CCP controlled businesses, their manufactured goods and services. Ensure strict sanctions are levied on CCP members. Ban travel of CCP members to and from countries that respect the rule of Law. But nope. We w…

> Boycott CCP controlled businesses, their manufactured goods and services. Ensure strict sanctions are levied on CCP members. Ban travel of CCP members to and from countries that respect the rule of Law.

That's typically not worked in other countries. For example, see Russia, which has been under exactly those kinds of targeted sanctions and yet which continues to openly murder opponents of the Putin regime across the globe.

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Post by ahthat »

nendroid wrote: post #350
seppin wrote: post #337

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Nobody is advocating genocide here. This is completely obvious, it is not his intention... you are exaggerating the situation. Who in their right mind would do this? And if you read his post it's obvious he is not doing this. The chinese actions are atrocious but an accusation of saying that holocaust level genocide is getting advocated here is a huge difference. You can tell him he's wrong because you believe that t…

I suppose it’s possible, sometimes there is no “good” side, both sides might be bad and have committed atrocities.

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Post by hcurtiss »

llamaz wrote: post #446
hcurtiss wrote: post #353

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Certainly nothing like this, and our practices in war have always stood out as more humane than the other side. People sometimes point to Afghanistan, but I don’t remember out guys beheading anyone.

This is the same narrative of the civilized Europeans that colonized the rest of the world and led to the genocide of the Native American (Indians) and the Australian aboriginals. Our side is human and anyone that falls short of your values is less than human. I'm not a moral relativist, we need only look at the physical and mental health of animals raised in different zoos to see that there is an objective morality…

Yeah, but some countries actually torture prisoners routinely. See the parent article. This idea that the US hasn’t routinely taken the high road is ridiculous. Just wait until China is the superpower. You’ll long for the bad ol’USA.

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Post by hcurtiss »

tremon wrote: post #426
hcurtiss wrote: post #353

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Certainly nothing like this, and our practices in war have always stood out as more humane than the other side. People sometimes point to Afghanistan, but I don’t remember out guys beheading anyone.

our practices in war have always stood out as more humane than the other side Ok, then convince your side to submit to the UN-appointed war crimes tribunal in The Hague. As long as the The Hague Invasion Act is still in force, that claim is hollow.

Just as soon as China does.

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Post by jonsno56 »

idea_heroin wrote: post #462
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #457

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Maybe next year Trump will break up my gay marriage and make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on. Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses. He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to.

Pure hyperbole. If you think any of these items are even remotely close to happening you are living in a fantasy land. Biden and the rest of the DNC can’t even admit that a terrorist group (Antifa) exists despite being responsible for multiple murders, arson, and countless beatings. It’s just an idea, man!

Boohoohoo

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Post by llamaz »

hcurtiss wrote: post #475
llamaz wrote: post #446

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This is the same narrative of the civilized Europeans that colonized the rest of the world and led to the genocide of the Native American (Indians) and the Australian aboriginals. Our side is human and anyone that falls short of your values is less than human. I'm not a moral relativist, we need only look at the physical and mental health of animals raised in different zoos to see that there is an objective morality…

Yeah, but some countries actually torture prisoners routinely. See the parent article. This idea that the US hasn’t routinely taken the high road is ridiculous. Just wait until China is the superpower. You’ll long for the bad ol’USA.

Yes, and the United States regressed back towards those countries. I don't think the United States is the "bad guy" or the root of all evil, I don't think the West is either. I just don't think that they're the "good guy" that routinely exercises restraint, unless you compare it to an imaginary hypothetical.

I don't support China either - I don't believe in the "good vs evil" narrative that was alien to the Ancient Romans and Greek pagans. The idea that there's historical moral progress culminating in the values of the United States is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. In Hegel's philosophy of right, which was fashionable in Germany, he believed that history culminated in the values of the Prussian constitutional monarchy.

It's unlikely that China will become a superpower. The United States, in the next few years, will no longer hold world wide hegemony, as it seems to be distancing itself from Europe among other countries. It's also unlikely that we'll return to a bipolar world, similarly to the period of the Cold War. It's more likely that we're moving towards a multi-polar world.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

tim333 wrote: post #329
bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

I agree, the western democracies tried opening up trade and hoped that would open up the Chinese government to a new way of looking at the world with more tolerance. That has gotten us no where. They will have to hit them in the wallet or it's all just huff and puff complaints and strongly worded letters from the UN. Of course this will hurt Western economies as well so it may just never happen.

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Post by spaetzleesser »

throw51319 wrote: post #296
gremlinsinc wrote: post #267

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As a leftist, who hates biden AND trump (almost equally) and voted green but almost voted Biden (i'm not in a swing state), I see Trump as a catalyst for change, I wanted him to win to unite people on the left to move more left, and upturn neoliberalism (looks like it's working), however - I'm changing my tune a tiny bit, namely because of covid and how that's going down. I don't think Trump can handle fixing this, a…

What kind of fool would vote 3rd party in an election with the gravity of this one? This isn't the time to make some symbolic stand, it's time to vote Trump out - if that's what you believe in.

I am making a stand to not support either of the corrupt big parties in the US. I can't vote for one guy only because the other guy is bad. The democrats should have put up a candidate people actually want to vote for. They didn't do that either in 2016 or 2020. Not being Trump is not a good program.
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