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It is incredibly dishonest to compare the US border situation with what is happening to Uighurs in China as if they are at all the same thing.
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One of the reasons I voted for him this time, even though I didn't in 2016.
Maybe next year Trump will break up my gay marriage and make it illegal for me to get the medicine I'm on. Nothing like a little down-home American human rights abuses. He can't even condemn a terrorist group when asked directly to.
Pure hyperbole. If you think any of these items are even remotely close to happening you are living in a fantasy land. Biden and the rest of the DNC can’t even admit that a terrorist group (Antifa) exists despite being responsible for multiple murders, arson, and countless beatings. It’s just an idea, man!
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#463CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…
Xi Jinping has a constituency and to a degree opaque to the West, that constituency provides his mandate. Discomfit the constituency, the princes and princelings, in their pockets, and that mandate might be withdrawn.
That revolution will be messy, but it's needed.
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#464This is horrendous, China is a frightening place
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Any Amazon engineers want to comment on why a country of origin flag is not on every product? Has this been discussed internally at Amazon?
Not an Amazon engineer (I work at AWS). But how would that be workable at Amazon's scale? Who declares the country of origin? Who ensures compliance for item? How is compliance done? Do you review every single item? How do you ensure that manufacturers update their country of origin declaration if/wehen they change downstream procurement? If you the raw materials are sourced in China and assembled in Vietnam, does th…
Don't forget that for trade purposes (customs!) every item that is crossing borders already need to declare COO and that documentation and rules exist how to assign it based on value-added manufacturing steps.
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#466"Twenty-four hours a day, prisoners are shackled. Iron chains are tied around their necks, fixed to loose iron blocks that Ӧmir says weigh around eight to ten kilograms, forcing prisoners to always be hunched down. He believes this is just one of the ways in which the camps are designed to instill a submissive posture in prisoners vis-a-vis their captors." I'm at a loss for words at the barbaric and utterly inhumane…
Dude have you been under a rock for the last three decades?
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The international community could do a lot more to stop this horror. International leaders could condemn this for a start. They could put sanctions on the chinese ruling class, or Chinese businesses, as well as exclude Chinese participation in international events (such as the Olympics). Your local representative could raise awareness to such measures to the ruling class in your country, and vote in favor for them in…
Have sanctions ever worked? They haven't worked on Cuba. They haven't worked on Venezuela. They haven't worked on Russia. They haven't worked on North Korea. They haven't worked anywhere I can think of.
The countries you picked as an example is a little curious. Sanctions against Russia were really weak and limited, I don’t think anybody had any intentions for them to work at all. The sanctions of Cuba and Venezuela (or embargo in the case of Cuba) were targeted against their autonomy, i.e. countries were not OK with their economic policies so they imposed the sanctions (which were more devastating then any action by the government in Cuba). In the case of Venezuela the sanctions are targeted against a democratically elected government in favor of an opposition that was never elected. The goal here is to abolish democracy, what do you expect the Venezuelan government to do?
This leaves North Korea, which is a genuine example of sanctions not working (and in fact casing harm in them self, since the victims are often starving citizens). However threats of further sanctions have worked in the past to prevent North Korea from developing a nuclear weapons program (which they later developed anyway). So I’ll give you that one.
But now let’s turn to South Africa. The Apartheid government was supported by many rich nations throughout the late 20th century. Their crimes got worse and worse over the years. Until the international community finally came together in the last decade of the century and imposed heavy sanctions, even excluded them from participating in cultural and sporting events. The apartheid government finally collapsed and South Africa got their first democratically elected precedent that represented a majority of the nation in 1994.
But I don’t think it is fair to talk only about the failure of sanctions to actively work in this context, the alternative here (as per ancestor comment) is military intervention. I could just as easily come up with a list of countries where military intervention did not resolve anything (or left the country seriously damage):
• Cuba
• Libya
• Syria
• Afghanistan
• Yemen
• Somalia
You could make the case for Rwanda, East Timor, Cambodia, or even Nazi Germany. But those cases are more nuanced than that, and claiming that military intervention was a “response that worked” would be an inexcusable simplification of how the events unfolded.
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Inventing your own question and then answering that was an interesting thing to do.
The point bring that your original comparison is a bad analogy. It should be obvious to you that something that effects millions of people is much worse than the CIA thing that only effected a couple hundred.
I didn't make an analogy. I asked a straightforward question.
I'm unclear why you or anyone else might be creating analogies in your heads. It's even less clear why you want me to have made them.
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Why insult me instead of just making your case? I'm a bit more sympathetic to a comparison between Central Americans migrants -> US and Uighurs -> China, although there are striking differences even between the two: foremost, Uighurs are Chinese citizens, and Central Americans are not US citizens, which is a major, major difference. As such, Central Americans are not, by definition, a "US minority group". I had assumed you were comparing the present situation of black Americans and the Uighurs.
Lots of things made me angry when I was in my teens and 20s that I look back on now in my 50s and understand much better (eg, I was furious at the lack of US intervention in Bosnia. I now understand much better the reasons driving non-interventionism, and I'm able to see the compassion driving it, even if I don't always agree.).
Edit: And BTW, it wasn't I who flagged your response, despite the ad hominem. But those things rarely play well on HN, as I'm sure you know.
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> " ... if you think a CCP led world world order would be an improvement." I don't think the parent comment suggested anything like what you just said. And I agree with that parent comment, in that I find it amusing mental-floss to imagine how a very-low income family in the US can completely avoid Chinese made products.
I'm using "you" to refer to the reader, not the OP. English can be confusing at times.
I learned to say "one" instead of "you".