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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

yeetman21 wrote: post #6

In the article he mentions “Their goal is just to exterminate all Uighurs in one way or another”, if that is the case, why not just shoot them all? Why did they let him out?

The article explains why they let him out: he apparently also has Kazakh citizenship, and his wife started making noise via diplomatic channels.

As to the larger question, most genocides stop short of literally just shooting everyone. That doesn't mean the goal still isn't eradication of a culture.

China does care about legitimacy internationally, and simply shooting millions of people into roadside ditches would be a step too far. But this process of concentration camps under the banner of combating terrorism is enough of a fig leaf, and enough of a slow progression, it doesn't generate the same sort of immediate opposition abroad. As we see here sadly.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by peacefulhat »

baybal2 wrote: post #82
bigpumpkin wrote: post #24

I'm curious why this man was denied a US visa in 2018 despite an invitation from Congress to speak about his experience. [1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/dc4062529014451e914ab361b3987afd

> I'm curious why this man was denied a US visa in 2018 despite an invitation from Congress to speak about his experience. [1] After assuming goodwill, and a genuine screwup on the part of US "visa lottery," the most simple, and making sense reason is the communist infiltration of US government.

good one, haha.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by runarberg »

missedthecue wrote: post #159
naderkhalil wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if calling our representatives can help

What can they do?

The international community could do a lot more to stop this horror. International leaders could condemn this for a start. They could put sanctions on the chinese ruling class, or Chinese businesses, as well as exclude Chinese participation in international events (such as the Olympics).

Your local representative could raise awareness to such measures to the ruling class in your country, and vote in favor for them in your national assembly. At the very least your local representative could call to shame any other member of the ruling class that is not publicly and vocally condemning this horror.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by chewzerita »

(Goodbye karma, I will miss you...)

The US also contributes to torture and murder of political dissidents. Capitalism (including the state capitalism found in China) directly causes human suffering and brutality. If people took a critical look at their own country's crimes they would come to the same conclusion.

This comment section gets me depressed with how quick people will jump on the "China Bad" narrative. The US or any other capitalist nation is no better. At the level of nation states, no one can claim a moral high ground.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Mindless2112 »

apta wrote: post #117

Please strongly consider boycotting, or at least avoiding Chinese products: https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

Country of origin is often not stated on product listings, and it's not clear what it should say for things made partially in multiple countries.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by kaitai »

shripadk wrote: post #85
akiselev wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is once again find our principles Yes we can. Boycott CCP controlled businesses, their manufactured goods and services. Ensure strict sanctions are levied on CCP members. Ban travel of CCP members to and from countries that respect the rule of Law. But nope. We w…

And for all the folks who are saying "well that doesn't work" do look at for instance international pressure on South Africa near the end of apartheid. Internal and external pressure in concert can have effect.

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Post by morelisp »

ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by crocal »

ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nerdtime »

DevKoala wrote: post #165
lerptime wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moreover you are trying to justify the suffering of people by using some hypothetical scenario that hasn’t occurred. I don't think he's justifying anything. He's questioning the nature of this world where a clear black and white decision is not always possible. He is saying in this case could there be No justifiable action possible? The hypothetical scenario is likely to help you empathize with the events from the…

You keep comparing apples to oranges in order to fabricate an argument. There is no systemic genocide perpetrated by the USA. Maybe if you believed in your argument you’d reply with your real account, not a green one.

>Maybe if you believed in your argument you’d reply with your real account, not a green one.

Looking at his karma which is barely anything in all accounts likely he has no real account. Also the usage of other accounts is likely a symptom of a post limit. Either he can respond to you with another account, or he can ignore you because he can't respond with the same account. Either way these actions are not sanctioned by the site.

>You keep comparing apples to oranges in order to fabricate an argument. There is no systemic genocide perpetrated by the USA

You can call it whatever you want. There was a sponsoring of troops by the US to slaughter people abroad for over a decade. Mass slaughter in the name of war rather than genocide.

The chinese are not slaughtering people. They are putting them in concentration camps and educating them. Torture, Indoctrination and brainwashing are the more appropriate terms with the accurate sentiment.

So yeah you're not wrong it is in way apples and oranges. Do you end terrorism by slaughtering terrorists? Or do you end terrorism by torturing, brainwashing and indoctrinating them? Pick the apple or the orange.

Oh and in both cases there will be innocent bystanders affected.

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