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5G Just Got Weird

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I wonder how this will fare vs Starlink, which seems like it's trying to solve the same problem.

Starlink will probably do better than 5G for access to rural areas because you don't need to build out a physical cable. In highly dense urban areas with large numbers of simultaneous users, 5G is a better fit.

In many cases you can link base stations to other downlink points using lasers or really tight beams though. It's not like they can only go upwards.

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5G doesnt seem like its enabling anything fundamentally new. The talk of any ”killer app” based on having more throughput or on these optimizations always feels like demand generation and slightly inauthentic. Are there any technologies enabled by these techniques that are not possible today?

I think the biggest thing I have seen that is a reasonable use of the tech is game streaming. Stadia, XCloud, Geforce Now. 5G with low latency and unlimited data could be a game changer (pardon the pun) for mobile gaming. It works on 4G. I've tested. But you definitely run into latency issues.

Do you need unlimited data? Gaming is equivalent to streaming hi-def video. With good codecs that doesn't really tax even the low end of 5G bandwidth capabilities. It's really all about latency.

Of course, it's not just games that might be streamed this way. Any computing device could be.

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The latency is only reduced from tower to phone right? The tower still has to ping the rest of the network to find the service you were requesting to in the first place. If total latency ~ 500 ms, phone-to-tower is maybe 50ms of that in 4G. Even if it's down to ~1ms, total latency is only down 10%. Not a networking expert so maybe I'm missing something here. Perhaps better use of CDNs could make this much faster?

It seems to me like Uber doesn't depend on high bandwidth or sub-second latency.

It's high bandwidth compared to the standards of the time they're discussing, not by the standards of today.

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> In defining V2X for 5G, Seo says the most challenging thing was to provide high data throughput, reliability, and low latency, both of which are essential for anything beyond the most basic communications. Seo explains that earlier standards typically deal with messages with hundreds of bytes that are expected to reach 90 percent of receivers in a 300-meter radius within a few hundred milliseconds. The 3GPP standar…

The difficulty with V2X is that both terminal and 'base station' might be moving at high speeds relative to each other, from what I understand. In conventional telephony the base station doesn't move.

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Yeah, I could see someone have button to transmit hard braking on demand for tailgaters.

Regulate security measures eg signed messaging where only manufacturers can get certificates? Maybe combine it with license plate so it's traceable to a person?

That's one of the nice things about 5G. It's an evolution of all the prior mobile protocols that have identity and security baked in from the start. That's what SIM cards are for and why mobile cloning died out.

With 5G and IPv6 you don't really much app-layer security, with the right APIs to give you access to the mobile layer security. The telcos already have the infrastructure to do ID verification on a mass scale and hand out SIMs tied to real world people, or real world manufacturing companies.

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To clarify: when not raising interesting technical points, he does engage in overt trolling to test cancel culture limits, yes. He has stated this in his Periscopes.

Adams is the worst kind racist bigot. Hiding his true face behind "testing the limits", "trolling", and other seemingly clever "unconventional ways of challenging the social norms". That's just the manipulative narrative to make the highly toxic and divisive racist drivel he is peddling more palatable to the more moderate of his fans, who typically fail to see who he really is because their perception of him is frame…

I do not agree with this assertion. Adams has also claimed twice to have himself been a victim of direct, stated-to-his-face discrimination on the job.

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Scott Adams seems to be pretty divorced from reality, so I would take his ideas with a pinch of salt. (To clarify: He's also claimed that if Biden wins the election, Republicans will literally be hunted in the streets, and I think regardless of your political views that is pretty clearly not actually going to happen, so his ability to predict future events with any accuracy isn't something I'd trust. Source: https://…

In the same thread Scott Adams says all of us will be dead from climate change in 10 years. Scott Adams likes to pull Twitter pranks so I would take these tweets with grain of salts without knowing the larger context.

Check out his Periscopes for a more full exposition of his thought.

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> What consumers see is much higher data rates for the same price, which doesn’t seem that important. I think this is in part due to data caps. Nobody takes advantage of the speed, because that could mean burning an entire month's worth of data in 10 minutes.

In circumstances where there is such a thing as a "month's worth of data". Which is still a lot of places, but you can get truly unlimited contracts in some places now, for reasonable amounts.

I have "unlimited". In the sense that I have a daily 5GB cap, if I hit that I have to manually trigger 1GB more. But I can do so as much as I want.

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Hopefully not something to fuel conspiracy theorists with more reasons to burn down mobile towers like what has been happening in the UK recently.

What conspiracies are moving people to do that? And how do you burn down a steel tower?

I think they climb the tower and pour gasoline on them.

Which is stupidly dangerous.

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