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Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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In case someone is wondering how they hacked Telegram. They used caller id spoofing and a telco vulnerability. 1. Change your phone ID and try to login on Telegram; 2. Telegram will send an SMS with an authentication number followed by a phone call to the actual mobile phone; 3. To avoid the message going through, spams the victim with many VoIP calls; 4. The Telegram call will be recorded on the missed call voice me…

I'm surprised that 2FA wasn't activated.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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The goal of this persecution is not necessarily to jail Glenn Greenwald. What they want is to muddle the discourse and to discredit the journalists involved in this reporting. Let's remember that the group of prosecutors in question are supporters of the current government and the ex-judge is now the justice minister, a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the pre…

> a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the presidential election

That judge went after one of the largest corruption scandals of our age. There's no evidence he did so in order to acquire a political position: at the heyday of the prosecutions against the workers party, the current president (who made the judge one of his ministers) wasn't even widely known by the population.

On the other hand, Greenwald, who works for The Intercept and is funded by Pierre Omidyar (one of Ebay's founders), has a very strong leftist agenda (he's a regular in communist conventions and whatnot, for that matter), and has been working in all ways possible to discredit the current government while praising the previous government which was impeached -- the one whose party members have been convicted by various crimes, mostly corruption related. It's hard to argue that Greenwald was exposing some sort of manipulation by the judicial system. He was trying to manipulate the media by creating a narrative using information that he acquired illegally, and that he couldn't use to demonstrate wrongdoing in the end of the story.

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Was it 'asking for more' or 'helping' with said activities? I think there is materially a difference. That said, I don't know the specifics of the case, I'd be interested in hearing if there is material legitimacy to the case. If they are jailing a reporter for essentially publishing data and merely 'communicating' with individuals ... this would be bad. Also - there is the question of the legitimacy of publishing ha…

> If someone hacked into your phone, and published it, it would be a crime. If they gave it to a journalist, not a crime? It all depends on the contents of your phone. If you committed certain actions that are of public interest, and lied about and/or hide these actions (as is the case of the Brazilian group of judges and prosecutors), then it is imperative that journalists publish that content. Journalists are prote…

There is technically nothing that defines what a journalist is (in most cases), and "committed certain actions that are of public interest, and lied about and/or hide these actions" is an impossible grey area, technically difficult to define. Very, very vague.

By that logic, almost anything could be hacked and published on some arbitrary blog because of the very vague term 'public interest'.

If this is the threshold we're going to use than almost the majority of political communication, huge swaths of business communication, and large portions of personal information of anyone with a public profile can be subject to hacking and publication.

While it might be good that 'a liar was exposed somewhere in Brasil' - this might not be the path we want to go down.

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IIRC the DNC was using Crowstrike for their AV and security who interestingly has a lot of their company based in Ukraine, and both CS and DNC refused to allow the FBI access to servers and logs to verify the Russian attack. IDK much about much, but that sure does seem questionable to me.

The RNC has since hired Crowdstrike too, even as Republican officials they support have said lots of stuff about Crowdstrike and Ukraine. The public statements are all for show.

I’m not sure that’s a big vote of confidence for me. The other take on what you wrote is the RNC watched the DNC skirt over any sort of responsibility to allow authorities to investigate such a claim and want in on that action.

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> (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality While this is true, the related question over whether the law in question is "just", is very much a relavent issue, and something worthy of comment.

Are folks actually questioning the "just" nature of a law, really? If so, which law? Or are folks questioning whether that law is being falsely applied in this instance? I think it's the latter. Folks are saying, essentially, that he wasn't part of the conspiracy to commit a cybercrime but that he was working as a journalist who simply received information. That's a very fact-dependent claim. I don't think folks here…

There are recordings of GG kind of "coordinating" actions of the hacker group right in the middle of the process of extracting private messages. Hacker would ask GG's opinion about what to do next: 1. expand the attack 2. stop and assess what they've gotten so far. Then GG clearly advise them to continue to extract more data. So state attorneys now think this attitude "crossed some lines" with crime to which GG is an accomplice.

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His husband is a Brazilian politician too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miranda_(politician)

David Miranda was elect as substitute to another congressman. I don't think he has the public support to be elect by himself. He only became a congressman when the other politician abdicate the position due life threats.

"Life threats", you mean

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"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.

He exposed evidence of criminal behavior by a judge that was trying to conceal his activities which are subject to public scrutiny via using his personal phone. What a judge does in the course of his work is not his own personal property.

Actually, he didn't expose any criminal evidence. After all is said and done, nothing found in the conversations he [ilegally] acquired that demonstrates wrongdoing by the judge.

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I was under the impression that people voted for Bolsonaro because they are fed up with a corrupt system. Lula de Silva (who actually was massively popular) was jailed for "corruption" in Operation Car Wash. However, as we now know thanks to Greenwald, this anti-corruption fight was corrupt in itself, and the person overseeing the investigation was cooperating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case. And this s…

Some would argue that when you have changing governments (as opposed to a single "party"/"faction" for a long time), the level of corruption tends to be more in check... (this is because new governments don't have "the reigns" on every different area of the government, and also because this bolsters the opposition to "dig for dirt"... The level of corruption in Brazil now adays (as a product of the nearly 4 mandates…

Ok that's fine but should you change these politicians through what ends up being an essentially corrupt and biased process?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

man the russian bots are awfully quick to downvote this stuff

Posting like this breaks the site guidelines. Would you please review them and stick to them in the future?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you want more explanation, I posted elsewhere in the thread about a similar case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22110856

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Well, that's something that we need to think about: should we allow journalists to be free of charged when they know they sources is actively hacking someone to get those content? I truly don't have an answer, but I think this ethical question must be done.

> should we allow journalists to be free of charged when they know they sources is actively hacking someone to get those content? Should journalists be free of charge when they know the source is breaking the Espionage Act? New York Times v United States (1971) says "yes"

That supreme court case has no bearing on Brazil. You might as well be quoting from the Talmud.
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