Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil • Hacker News Board

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by bearcobra » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:32 PM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #2

It's funny to contrast Greenwald's situation with that of people in the US press who hate his guts, all while they bemoan the Trump admin's threats to press freedom. This is what happens to journalists who actually speak truth to power, rather than flatter it while indulging in a bunch of self-congratulatory theater.

Love or hate Greenwald, Brazil has less press freedom than the United States and Trump has made numerous statements indicating he would like to impose more restrictions on the press. https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:32 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #20

padseeker wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

He's referencing this direct quote from the Mueller report: "Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities" Seems pretty cut and dry.

It's not.

Investigators ultimately had an incomplete picture of what happened due to communications that were encrypted, deleted or unsaved, as well as testimony that was false, incomplete or declined. However, the report stated that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion", but was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts. It also identifies links between Trump campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government, about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations. Mueller later stated that his investigation's conclusion on Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_Report

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by pstuart » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #20

padseeker wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

He's referencing this direct quote from the Mueller report: "Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities" Seems pretty cut and dry.

> did not find sufficient evidence

That doesn't mean there wasn't evidence to be found. Bear in mind that there was obstruction to the investigation.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by ohithereyou » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:43 PM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #28

nostrademons wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's possible for the Russians to be actively involved in trying to get Trump elected and for Russian interference to have nothing to do with the results of the last election. The conclusion would simply be that the Russians sucked at their election meddling, or more neutrally, that foreign interference is dwarfed by the independent effect of charisma on 200M American voters.

When elections are this close, it's impossible to say that any one factor had "nothing to do" with the outcome. It was clear this was going to be a problem after the 2000 Presidential election came down to a few semi-literate Floridians. One definition of "chaos" is a system involving large numbers with sensitive dependence on very small margins, and that's what we have here. Edit: Well, I guess we're still hearing f…

You're probably getting downvoted for a number of reasons.

First, a big reason you didn't mention is that Nader running as a third party syphoned votes primarily from Gore.

Second, the butterfly ballots are a bad design. If you were to design a software interface in the same way and with the same failure modes as a butterfly ballot then you can't blame the user for not understanding it. Those ballots were not designed with usabilty in mind - calling people who failed to use them properly 'illiterate' is placing the blame in the wrong place.

Third, a plausable implication from your above comment is that you believe that people who didn't vote for the candidate you prefer are somehow less intelligent than you. I'm not saying that was your intent, but I can see how somebody might draw that conclusion from your comment.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by giacaglia » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:46 PM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #2

It's funny to contrast Greenwald's situation with that of people in the US press who hate his guts, all while they bemoan the Trump admin's threats to press freedom. This is what happens to journalists who actually speak truth to power, rather than flatter it while indulging in a bunch of self-congratulatory theater.

The fact is that he worked direct with the hackers to hack government information. He is gonna go through the judicial system as everyone does

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by diegoholiveira » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:51 PM UTC

It's important to notice that he's not been charged for publishing those materials. He's been charged for giving instructions to the hackers about targets and contents, like a lider of the hackers. So, it's not a leak, it's a content obtained illegally through a series of crimes.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by piadodjanho » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:53 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #24

xfalcox wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has husband and 4 kids in Brazil. Not easy to move when you have roots in a place.

His husband is a Brazilian politician too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miranda_(politician)

David Miranda was elect as substitute to another congressman. I don't think he has the public support to be elect by himself.

He only became a congressman when the other politician abdicate the position due life threats.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by aguyfromnb » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:55 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

>but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected.

Really? It's my understanding that the Russians were sowing controversy for all parties and all kinds of people. Intelligence officers have testified that this was the case during the impeachment hearings.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by cyorir » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:56 PM UTC

GavinMcG wrote: post #26

padseeker wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're 'speaking truth to power' only when it suits your already formed opinion, then you're not really speaking truth.

You're speaking truth whenever what you're saying is true.

Sure. But you can still be lying by omission. Does the phrase "speaking truth to power" still apply if you are also lying by omission?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by aguyfromnb » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:57 PM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #33

creaghpatr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's referencing this direct quote from the Mueller report: "Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities" Seems pretty cut and dry.

> did not find sufficient evidence That doesn't mean there wasn't evidence to be found. Bear in mind that there was obstruction to the investigation.

>That doesn't mean there wasn't evidence to be found.

How can anyone ever clear their name with a mentality like this? They investigated and didn't find sufficient evidence. Saying, "yeah, but there could be evidence" means nothing will convince you.