I hope he manages to skip out of this cause his kind of reporting is rare.
Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.
He exposed evidence of criminal behavior by a judge that was trying to conceal his activities which are subject to public scrutiny via using his personal phone. What a judge does in the course of his work is not his own personal property.
"He exposed evidence of criminal behavior " - if this is true, it seems the exposition is warranted - but still there are still questions about where the line is between theft and journalism.
Also - I'm not an expert but I'm actually quite doubtful that this was criminal activity that was exposed.
" a judge that was trying to conceal his activities which are subject to public scrutiny via using his personal phone" - this is not criminal in the vast majority of cases.
Richard Nixon had to resign from the presidency for breaking into opposition property to try to get information to 'embarrass them'. Would he have been sanction had he just turned the information over to the press?
There is a legit grey area here: you can't steal stuff just because you might think it's wrong. We make reasonable accommodation when there is actually criminal activity, but it's pretty fuzzy still.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Asking whether they "swung" the election is an unnecessarily high bar. The question is whether they influenced the election, and the answer is a pretty clear yes. Russian hacks of the DNC and John Podesta, and the ensuing leaks, drove front-page headlines and cable news coverage for weeks in aggregate, if not more.
The DNC came out with the story about the Russian hack very quickly; they can't possibly have known it was them with any accuracy. It could easily have been a leak, and the Russia story was simply to deflect from the content of the leak.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Foreign interference is a big deal and shouldn't be overlooked. But I just don't think its plausible that the identified Russian activities swung the election. The Russian fake news trolls were a drop in the ocean of social media/news. The russia spend on facebook was 0.05 percent of the candidates (not even going to mention the free posting by individual supporters). FB estimated that 1 out of ~20 thousand pieces of…
We'll probably never know with certainty exactly how much it changed things. But we can do a lot more to ensure our elections are free from foreign influence in the future. One way might be to do something about the guy going on TV to ask foreign countries to dig up dirt on a rival.
Hillary deleted 30,000 emails after a subpoena was issued. Trump suggested that since other countries had hacked her server they probably had the 30,000 deleted emails and they could turn them over to help the investigation.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#115Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
The DNC came out with the story about the Russian hack very quickly; they can't possibly have known it was them with any accuracy. It could easily have been a leak, and the Russia story was simply to deflect from the content of the leak.
IIRC the DNC was using Crowstrike for their AV and security who interestingly has a lot of their company based in Ukraine, and both CS and DNC refused to allow the FBI access to servers and logs to verify the Russian attack. IDK much about much, but that sure does seem questionable to me.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#117Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality
It depends on the crime. Sometimes an ‘objective’ view of morality is an element of an offense. E.g. in fraud (and potentially, this charge)
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#118Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality
To be fair this is the most important comment in this thread. Greenwald was charged by a prosecutor who belongs to the same organization whose misbehavior he exposed, despite not being a target of the investigation. Said prosecutor already pulled a similar trick before.
The government, who just a few days ago was forced to fire a secretary who literally quoted Goebbels in a speech, loves this kind of news-cycle management and is clearly trying to assassinate Greenwald's reputation. Probably nothing will happen, which the government will then use as ammunition to blame the biased, radical left-wing, communist Judiciary, yadda yadda, as they have been doing in their ongoing war against all institutions in the past year.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is something journalists do all the time. If a source comes to you, even with illegally obtained materials, it is normal for a journalist to ask for more, that's their job.
There are legal protections in the US for journalists that don't exist de facto or de jure in many other countries.
Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Am I the only one that believes that such narrative and speculative writing style by officials is actively harmful to democracy? Phrases like: - in sweeping and systematic fashion - was welcomed by the Trump campaign - links between - ties to - connected to Granted, communicating the complexities of reality is very difficult, but I sincerely do not believe that a serious effort has been made in this case (or is in ot…
Your intuition is correct. This is not accidental. Those phrases are used because certain things are known with a high degree of certainty. Meetings between Trump campaign members and Natalia Veselnitskaya's group lend credence to those phrases[1]. There is a significant evidence documenting Russian Interference (consider the IRA involvement alone) and the links between the Trump campaign and Russians[2], some of whi…
I suspect we differ on what my intuition is. If I'm not mistaken, you seem to believe this style of language is because of the nuanced nature of the issue, whereas my intuition is that the style of language is chosen to ~muddy the waters and sow confusion. We're each entitled to our respective opinions, but neither of us knows what the reality is.
Various issues in this drama are "known", with varying degrees of certainty. Something important to keep in mind though, is that degree of certainty on complex, subjective (indeterminate) matters often varies significantly per person. Reality is often a lot messier than people like to acknowledge.
My point is roughly: there is a tremendous range of public opinion on this matter (and many others), with each individual likely being extremely confident that their belief is the correct one. It also seems fairly reasonable that hardly anyone on either side has actually read the report in question.
This seems like an undesirable state of affairs in a democratic nation. It seems to me that, at the very least, it would be possible and beneficial for an alternative, non-narrative based, summary of "just the discrete facts" (with accompanying certainty declarations, etc) document to be produced that would facilitate greater effective transparency, as well as improve the public's ability form beliefs that are more consistent with reality (and presumably in turn, decrease the variance/polarization in beliefs).
Although, based on my observations of social media discussions and voting patterns, I not only see little support for this sort of idea, but instead rather strong opposition to it. It seems like most people, on either side of the divide, desire certain things to be true, as opposed to desiring to know the truth of what has actually happened. If my intuition is correct, this seems like a harmful mindset for voters in a democracy to hold, not to mention the second order harm in areas such as general public harmony, and willingness to cooperate on other important initiatives such as climate change.