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Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by naiveprogrammer »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #93
jariel wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.

Your comment reads like Glenn Greenwald did this to steal and publish nude pics of Bolsonaro, as opposed to evidence of his improper collaboration with the judge who paved his way to the presidency by putting Lula in prison.

First of all, Greenwald did not steal anything, and he is being charged because he actively engaged in covering the hackers' tracks. That is criminal in Canada, Brazil or US... I am pretty sure that had Mr Greenwald been in Canada he'd be charged by now. It is precisely why he is in Brazil. Because Brazil is a Banana Republic where the powerful and well connected can get away with most of the things unless the evidence is very clear. Greenwald has a wide net of supporters in Brazil who are very powerful, starting with the Worker's Party, the Communist Party of Brazil and so one. Not to mention his husband who is a congressman himself.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by thiagoharry »

epx wrote: post #74
crazynick4 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What points? You make it sound as if he stood to profit from this when the outcome has been clearly the opposite, and he himself had predicted it to be as much. His family has been getting death threats as a result of his work, and these carry a lot more weight in Brasil then they would in some country like the US or somewhere in Europe. He is a very credible journalist and his story was widely well-received, his met…

People are so politically polarized these days, I feel it is a waste of time trying to argue.

Justifying the election of someone who talked about eliminate opposition, paid tribute to a torturer and appointed a nazi as minister of culture, you really show how politically polarized are the things.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by DaniloDias »

michaeltoth wrote: post #19
padseeker wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

There's a big difference between saying Trump didn't conspire with the Russians (what Greenwald said" and saying the Russians didn't attempt to interfere. It's astonishing how people conflate these two things

I find this topic to be one of the single most interesting of the last 10 years.

It’s the only story I’ve ever experienced first hand that seems to represent an actual instance of mass hysteria.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

Persuasive discussion with people on the “other side” on this topic appears to be absolutely impossible.

Ive just given up on Americans who believe this Russian collusion narrative. It’s like talking to people in a cult or who are insane.

I know liberals exist who don’t fall prey to this thinking- but they’re not well represented in mainstream and social media universe.

It is such a sad development.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by crazynick4 »

airstrike wrote: post #81
crazynick4 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something journalists do all the time. If a source comes to you, even with illegally obtained materials, it is normal for a journalist to ask for more, that's their job.

You're making a moral argument, not a legal one. People doing something "all the time" in one jurisdiction doesn't magically make it legal in a different one.

What they're doing to him may be 'legal' but it's definitely antidemocratic.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by crazynick4 »

epx wrote: post #74
crazynick4 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What points? You make it sound as if he stood to profit from this when the outcome has been clearly the opposite, and he himself had predicted it to be as much. His family has been getting death threats as a result of his work, and these carry a lot more weight in Brasil then they would in some country like the US or somewhere in Europe. He is a very credible journalist and his story was widely well-received, his met…

People are so politically polarized these days, I feel it is a waste of time trying to argue.

But you are arguing. Arguing without providing facts.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by crazynick4 »

naiveprogrammer wrote: post #99
crazynick4 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What points? You make it sound as if he stood to profit from this when the outcome has been clearly the opposite, and he himself had predicted it to be as much. His family has been getting death threats as a result of his work, and these carry a lot more weight in Brasil then they would in some country like the US or somewhere in Europe. He is a very credible journalist and his story was widely well-received, his met…

Just because Mr Greenwald is facing death threats as a result of his work doesn't mean he is 100% on his interpretation of the story. Also you forgot to mention that Greenwald's husband is a congressman which means they enjoy some enhanced security. Also you need to mention that the Brazilian's Worker's Party (the largest party in Congress) has Mr Greenwald's back. He is far from being alone in Brazi, there is a broa…

I did not know that and that is reassuring.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by bawolff »

airstrike wrote: post #84

Before commenting, let's all pause for a minute and recognize that: (a) we're not versed in Brazilian Law (b) we don't really have all the facts of the case (c) "charged with" and "found guilty of" are vastly different things (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality

> (d) one's opinion on the morality of a certain alleged episode has no bearing on its legality

While this is true, the related question over whether the law in question is "just", is very much a relavent issue, and something worthy of comment.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by viro »

crazynick4 wrote: post #42
diegoholiveira wrote: post #36

It's important to notice that he's not been charged for publishing those materials. He's been charged for giving instructions to the hackers about targets and contents, like a lider of the hackers. So, it's not a leak, it's a content obtained illegally through a series of crimes.

This is something journalists do all the time. If a source comes to you, even with illegally obtained materials, it is normal for a journalist to ask for more, that's their job.

asking for more is not the same as telling the person what to target.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by zorked »

jariel wrote: post #78
freepor wrote: post #3

Oof. I don’t know why he would stay in Brazil while publishing stuff that embarrassed powerful interests in Brazil. You can do that shit in Canada, in Brazil you’re lucky to not get a bullet.

"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.

He exposed evidence of criminal behavior by a judge that was trying to conceal his activities which are subject to public scrutiny via using his personal phone.

What a judge does in the course of his work is not his own personal property.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by hackinthebochs »

rhino369 wrote: post #41
padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

Foreign interference is a big deal and shouldn't be overlooked. But I just don't think its plausible that the identified Russian activities swung the election. The Russian fake news trolls were a drop in the ocean of social media/news. The russia spend on facebook was 0.05 percent of the candidates (not even going to mention the free posting by individual supporters). FB estimated that 1 out of ~20 thousand pieces of…

Pointing to the amount spent and then declaring it impossible Russia swung the election is an extremely questionable argument coming from a user of this site. User targeting is the X-factor for facebook advertising; no one on this website believes that any X dollars spent on advertising is equivalent to any other X dollars spent. The fact that Russia microtargeted swing voters and voters in key states, and with the help of Cambridge Analytica data crafted messages for specific demographics, must be central to an analysis of whether they swung the election.
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