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Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by zweep »

crazynick4 wrote: post #42
diegoholiveira wrote: post #36

It's important to notice that he's not been charged for publishing those materials. He's been charged for giving instructions to the hackers about targets and contents, like a lider of the hackers. So, it's not a leak, it's a content obtained illegally through a series of crimes.

This is something journalists do all the time. If a source comes to you, even with illegally obtained materials, it is normal for a journalist to ask for more, that's their job.

There are legal protections in the US for journalists that don't exist de facto or de jure in many other countries.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by AndrewBissell »

davidw wrote: post #46
rhino369 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foreign interference is a big deal and shouldn't be overlooked. But I just don't think its plausible that the identified Russian activities swung the election. The Russian fake news trolls were a drop in the ocean of social media/news. The russia spend on facebook was 0.05 percent of the candidates (not even going to mention the free posting by individual supporters). FB estimated that 1 out of ~20 thousand pieces of…

We'll probably never know with certainty exactly how much it changed things. But we can do a lot more to ensure our elections are free from foreign influence in the future. One way might be to do something about the guy going on TV to ask foreign countries to dig up dirt on a rival.

Also, our political leadership could stop engaging in corrupt behavior, so that hacking their electronic communications is of little value to foreign powers trying to sway our elections.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by AndrewBissell »

jariel wrote: post #78
freepor wrote: post #3

Oof. I don’t know why he would stay in Brazil while publishing stuff that embarrassed powerful interests in Brazil. You can do that shit in Canada, in Brazil you’re lucky to not get a bullet.

"l. You can do that shit in Canada" Why would it be legal or even moral to steal property in order to 'embarrass' someone? This is a very slippery slope. Stealing stuff and then hiding behind 'journalism' is problematic to the extent that there is no material, legal, whistleblowing. We have to figure out the lines that can and should be crossed, otherwise it won't be good for anyone.

Your comment reads like Glenn Greenwald did this to steal and publish nude pics of Bolsonaro, as opposed to evidence of his improper collaboration with the judge who paved his way to the presidency by putting Lula in prison.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by naiveprogrammer »

crazynick4 wrote: post #49
epx wrote: post #43

I don't think this will go far, for Greenwald. He didn't invade the Telegram accounts; other people did, yet another people used (and propably paid for) the service, one of them is a hard-left politician that happens to be Greenwald's husband. His involvement was to put the weight of his name to defend his husband's actions. And yes, I look down on Greenwald now, while I used to look up to him when I read 'No Place t…

I was under the impression that people voted for Bolsonaro because they are fed up with a corrupt system. Lula de Silva (who actually was massively popular) was jailed for "corruption" in Operation Car Wash. However, as we now know thanks to Greenwald, this anti-corruption fight was corrupt in itself, and the person overseeing the investigation was cooperating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case. And this s…

> However, as we now know thanks to Greenwald, this anti-corruption fight was corrupt in itself, and the person overseeing the investigation was cooperating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case.

That is according to Greenwald. Judges and prosecutors talk all the time in private. This is your opinion. Many in Brazil and abroad don't think such practice configures collusion. Especially if you read the transcripts, it is far from being damming to Mr Moro and the prosecutors.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by jessaustin »

onecool wrote: post #79
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC the DNC was using Crowstrike for their AV and security who interestingly has a lot of their company based in Ukraine, and both CS and DNC refused to allow the FBI access to servers and logs to verify the Russian attack. IDK much about much, but that sure does seem questionable to me.

The Crowdstrike line is another primary talking point of the paid Russian propagandists.

If someone else had looked at the servers, it seems likely we would have heard of it by now...

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by belorn »

kaonashi wrote: post #55
snowwrestler wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking whether they "swung" the election is an unnecessarily high bar. The question is whether they influenced the election, and the answer is a pretty clear yes. Russian hacks of the DNC and John Podesta, and the ensuing leaks, drove front-page headlines and cable news coverage for weeks in aggregate, if not more.

The DNC came out with the story about the Russian hack very quickly; they can't possibly have known it was them with any accuracy. It could easily have been a leak, and the Russia story was simply to deflect from the content of the leak.

If the DNC leak impacted the election, should the blame be on leaker or on the people responsible. The DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned over the content of the emails, and the DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters over the conduct during the election.

It seems a bit like blaming the NBCUniversal for leaking the audio tape of trumps lewd conversation about women, rather than trump.

A big question is how influence the three major leaks had on the election, and from an outside perspective it seems insane that the whole US political direction get decided on embarrassing leaks rather than political subjects.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by roynasser »

crazynick4 wrote: post #49
epx wrote: post #43

I don't think this will go far, for Greenwald. He didn't invade the Telegram accounts; other people did, yet another people used (and propably paid for) the service, one of them is a hard-left politician that happens to be Greenwald's husband. His involvement was to put the weight of his name to defend his husband's actions. And yes, I look down on Greenwald now, while I used to look up to him when I read 'No Place t…

I was under the impression that people voted for Bolsonaro because they are fed up with a corrupt system. Lula de Silva (who actually was massively popular) was jailed for "corruption" in Operation Car Wash. However, as we now know thanks to Greenwald, this anti-corruption fight was corrupt in itself, and the person overseeing the investigation was cooperating with the prosecutors to strengthen their case. And this s…

Some would argue that when you have changing governments (as opposed to a single "party"/"faction" for a long time), the level of corruption tends to be more in check... (this is because new governments don't have "the reigns" on every different area of the government, and also because this bolsters the opposition to "dig for dirt"...

The level of corruption in Brazil now adays (as a product of the nearly 4 mandates under Lula) is extreme. It was enough of an extreme that the people decided to elect an almost unknown, highly polarizing figure such as Bolsonaro...

Politicians and underwear should be changed often imo!

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by iamnothere »

cyorir wrote: post #39
GavinMcG wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're speaking truth whenever what you're saying is true.

Sure. But you can still be lying by omission. Does the phrase "speaking truth to power" still apply if you are also lying by omission?

I challenge you to find a single journalist who isn't "lying by omission".

Even the most ethical journalist in the world would have limited time, a limited network of sources, a reader base that prefers coverage of specific issues, and personal interests that drive the direction of their reporting.

From my perspective, accurate reporting on a limited set of issues is much preferred over "truthy" reporting on a broader set of issues.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by naiveprogrammer »

crazynick4 wrote: post #65
epx wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the story Greenwald is selling, which I disagree with in many points.

What points? You make it sound as if he stood to profit from this when the outcome has been clearly the opposite, and he himself had predicted it to be as much. His family has been getting death threats as a result of his work, and these carry a lot more weight in Brasil then they would in some country like the US or somewhere in Europe. He is a very credible journalist and his story was widely well-received, his met…

Just because Mr Greenwald is facing death threats as a result of his work doesn't mean he is 100% on his interpretation of the story. Also you forgot to mention that Greenwald's husband is a congressman which means they enjoy some enhanced security. Also you need to mention that the Brazilian's Worker's Party (the largest party in Congress) has Mr Greenwald's back. He is far from being alone in Brazi, there is a broad support from the establishment. It doesn't mean that his worries about his security are overblown, my point is that he enjoys a great deal of support especially from journalists, politicians and the Brazilian last instance's judges.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by TomMckenny »

thescriptkiddie wrote: post #51

There is a disturbing level of pro Bolsonaro astroturfing going on in here. Don't be deceived, Greenwald is a political prisoner.

We've entered an era where hounding and intimidating journalists is considered a legitimate political position. So they probably really are genuine far right users, Brazilian and otherwise, swept up by the reality distorting extremism of the day.

And their influence will continue to expand so long as they are able to shout down, spam and vandalize venues that might have been used to find solutions.

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