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Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia

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Post by iknowalot »

pnako wrote: post #421
iknowalot wrote: post #170

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Yes, this is old school racism wrapped in company policy. Bigoted leadership in this country gives this kind of activity permission. The wiser among us know historically garbage thinking when we see it.

China seems to have noticed how accusations of racism, xenophobia and "white supremacy" are a very effective button to push to try and get western countries to act against their own interests. The thing is, coming from a country that is practicing cultural genocide against various ethnic groups, we can probably take those accusations and survive.

The thing that makes it really easy for China and other countries to do this, is the actual long documented history of European and American racism.

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Post by whoevercares »

eznoonze wrote: post #553
whoevercares wrote: post #378

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Assuming you aren’t native Chinese or don’t have lots of friends in China, you don’t seem to understand what the parent said about nationalism rises. No China’s nationalism WAS NOT this high before, (the parade etc) you saw before is organized and it’s actually quite small considering the scale of China. Common people were normally cynical and only act patriotic at occasions where they really have to. Things are frea…

Nationalism in China is fueled by the Chinese media (i.e. the Chinese government) which control the message. The chinese government control the degree of nationalism in China like they turn the volume knob of a TV. They use it as weapon.

I agree to some extent, but that’s not the only reason. When earlier US sanctioned ZTE that almost stopped all IC tech blocked, instead of rising nationalism, the view of the future was very pessimistic inside China. However now common people realized US just use it as a leverage and it appears US can’t even make it happen. With multiple US retreats from the trade war, Chinese people are never been more confident in history

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Post by amzin »

poutrathor wrote: post #248
jakobegger wrote: post #211

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> totally excluding China from any and all international trade I don't have an opinion whether this is the right thing to do or not. But regardless of my opinion, how does not hiring chinese citizens help with that? This just sounds like harassing chinese people because of their government. If you really wanted to change something, hiring chinese people and showing them what the western world is like would be the bes…

> Harassing Harassing : the action of subjecting someone to aggressive pressure or intimidation. Where do you see any harassment ? Gitlab has no Chinese or Russian employee so far -> so nobody got pressure or intimidate, ffs. China is harassing the rest of the world. China is systematically spying with state wide support. China is bullying with military, economic or soft power. China is a threat. * Recently, in Franc…

> Gitlab has no Chinese or Russian employee so far -> so nobody got pressure or intimidate, ffs.

Actually, they do have employees there. There are at least 5 Russians and 1 Chinese listed here: https://about.gitlab.com/jobs/

There are no Russians at the role that had been debated though.

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Post by dang »

mb_72 wrote: post #336
netok wrote: post #288

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As a chinese, this kind of comment makes me hate the west even more. I have no control over my government. Zero. 0. Do you understand the concept of 0? Thats the amount of influence I have over any government matter. And you people being racist pos because there is nothing I can do about my gov. Wtf do you want?

> As a chinese, this kind of comment makes me hate the west even more. I have no control over my government. That right there is exactly the response your government would want you to have. You already 'hate the west', and now even more because of what I wrote? That seems unreasonable to me, and there was not one racist mention in my comment either. If 'my' government (in Australia) were pulling these kind of stunts…

Please don't take HN threads further into political and nationalistic flamewar. This sort of rhetoric never leads anywhere interesting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

mb_72 wrote: post #242
blaesus wrote: post #225

I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…

Curious as the way I see it it's very often China who is the 'initiator', eg internment of Muslims, stealing of territory in South China sea, debt-trap diplomacy, and so forth. Presuming that you are aware of these occurrences, do you agree with your government's positions and actions, and - if not - what actions, if any, do you take to make it clear your opposition? The Chinese government is, IMO, massively over sen…

You took this thread way into flamewar. Please don't do that again. We don't want any flamewars here, and certainly not nationalistic ones.

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Post by dang »

resouer wrote: post #556
proverbialbunny wrote: post #530

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I've noticed nationalism rising in China lately too. It's easy to pay attention to difference between people and culture, as noticing difference is what we instinctively do, but it is also beneficial to notice our similarities too. We're all people. Besides minor cultural differences, we all respond in similar ways to the situations we are given throughout life. >As a founder of a tech company based in China, I benef…

here we go, another white man been brainwashed by western medias.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait to HN.

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Post by habnds »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #541
habnds wrote: post #450

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a free press and free elections make it not so much of a wash

Expect the 'free' press is more akin to 'corporate press' & the elections results in the person getting the most votes not being elected President.

I don't understand how these things somehow result in there being no difference between the US and China. Of course it's an imperfect system.

Try handing out flyers about civil rights in Washington DC and then try it in Beijing.

Of course it's easy to criticize the electoral college but look at the results of direct democracy recently, Brexit, the initial rejection of the FARC peace agreement in Columbia. There's a reason representative democracy is prefered to direct, it's just difficult to get a balance. Odds are that the Electoral College will be gone in my lifetime.

Is the authoritarian Chinese system better? Of course not.

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Post by jhvkjhk »

yorwba wrote: post #549
yorwba wrote: post #538

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Your friends are presumably not detained for continuing to believe in the religions of their parents, so they're going to have a more positive outlook based on the state of the economy. Even if you think that it's desirable for the government to try to accelerate secularization with its "re-education camps," the implementation is guaranteed to cause a lot of suffering. The rushed timeline for construction, involuntar…

In reply to the flagged reply: 1. While the Constitution of the People's Republic of China does protect religious freedom, this is only under the condition that the religious beliefs in question do not disturb the social order, cause bodily harm or obstruct the national education system. That means in practice, people will be detained for beliefs that are considered too extremist. 2. Would you believe me that they ex…

1&2. Oh, sorry I forgot the extremist. So what would you do when you face an extremist? Ignore him so he can stab innocent people in a railway station? Or you show him why he shouldn't do that, maybe even teach him some skills so he can make a living and become a part of society? The latter is exactly what "education centers" do according to the link. And it is described quite clearly that the center is not a prison or Auschwitz (go back home regularly). So I answer your question directly: I believe "education centers" exist, but it's not a synonym referring to the fabricated "re-education centers".

3. Your refute is valid only if the presumption is real, I applause sincerely for you, but how can you stand for many Uyghur? I live with Chinese every day so I can present more or less their thought, did you get in touch of some Uyghur or you just surmise their thought from, let me cite Trump, "Fake News"?

4. I really hope to read your airtight, immaculate, irrefutable argument!

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Post by slim »

mam2 wrote: post #386
peterkelly wrote: post #376

I wrote another comment arguing that this proposal was both racist and discriminatory, which got flagged and deleted without explanation, presumably because I worded it in such a way as to give an example that might resonate more with Americans by using examples of specific groups of people that have experienced oppression in the US. In the interests of quality discussion on HN, I'm going to make another attempt but…

In america it is my understanding you can be legally forced by intelligence agencies to provide confidential info about your company and legally forced to not disclose it to your company. There's no reason to believe it's different in any other countries, in particular countries that have a an obvious confrontational stance against "the west" and are at least semi authoritarian. So a person maybe a "nice/trustworthy…

there is no reason to believe any other country does this to it's citizen. my understanding is this kind of imperial reach has been abandoned by all other countries since the invention of the nation-state (in favor of positive law)

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Post by anoncake »

Joe_Harris wrote: post #559
anoncake wrote: post #296

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> China is a huge country, and excluding a billion people from your company just because their government does questionable things sounds like a pretty bad idea. People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. > you are really concerned about the confidentiality of your data, don…

> People have to do what the state they live in and belong to orders them to do. That's part of the point of having a state. So if you can't trust a state you can't trust its people either. So, I could say that American is sucks if I think Trump is sucks? That is ridiculous. The first is that 'state is unauthentic' is a subjective speculation. And the most funny is that the conclusion 'people is unauthentic' is came…

If your world view is based on separating entities into good and bad, nuanced statements will appear ridiculous.
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