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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by technion »

hansjorg wrote: post #18

It's a bit surprising that he got anything through without SPF and an MX record. That seems to be the minimum to get mail into the inbox for a new domain at least, so his domain probably had some positive reputation at one point.

A while back I had someone setup a new domain with office 365 email and a completely broken spf record that only allowed his web server. Gmail accepted everything without a problem.

I agree an SPF record is an expected minimum but "use a big provider" is more relevant ime.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by LaurentS »

thih9 wrote: post #44
clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it's not expensive. there are other free email services, or you can pay for decent email hosting for a few bucks a month.

Could you post examples? In my opinion free email services either belong to other big corporations or provide lower quality service than gmail. Few bucks a month add up and can be considered expensive by many. I don’t like google and I pay for a different email account. I just wanted to remind that gmail may be hard to quit and that costs are subjective.

I have all my mailboxes with gandi.net. Each domain you buy from them comes with 2 fully managed emails, and I think 3GB storage each, for just over $1/month. I basically never get spam, nor blocked emails. They have 2 webmail interfaces too, but I don't use them. As a bonus, gandi financially supports a ton of open source projects, which never hurts.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by skrause »

thih9 wrote: post #44
clairity wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it's not expensive. there are other free email services, or you can pay for decent email hosting for a few bucks a month.

Could you post examples? In my opinion free email services either belong to other big corporations or provide lower quality service than gmail. Few bucks a month add up and can be considered expensive by many. I don’t like google and I pay for a different email account. I just wanted to remind that gmail may be hard to quit and that costs are subjective.

I use https://mailbox.org/en/, it's from a small German company and I can use my own domain with the smallest plan for just 1 € per month. Their spam filter also seems pretty good.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by skrause »

djsumdog wrote: post #63

I thought this had been getting better. At least more e-mail from my personal server has been getting through to its destinations. I've written about this too a few years back: https://battlepenguin.com/tech/how-google-and-microsoft-made... ..and I reference the Hostile E-mail Landscape blog post by Ribton (really good btw).. which is gone now and redirects to some bullshit software site (there are archives of it). I…

> but honestly I'd rather have some SPAM get through than get HAM marked and placed in the big fucking SPAM bucket I never check.

This is why I like that my email provider (https://mailbox.org/en/) simply rejects all messages detected as spam: False positives don't get lost in a spam folder I never check, instead the sender gets a mail delivery failure notice by their own mail server and at least get a notification that they couldn't reach me.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by inferiorhuman »

donmcronald wrote: post #78
inferiorhuman wrote: post #71

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Google/Microsoft don't send DMARC reports because it would make it easier for spammers to know they had gotten past those filters. Is that a recent thing? I was getting DMARC reports from both Google and Yahoo as late as April this year. Around then I pared down my Sonic account and they ate a bunch of stuff that I was too lazy to setup again including DMARC. While Google and Yahoo make up most of the reports I got t…

Aggregate or forensic? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a forensic report.

Aggregate or forensic? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a forensic report.

Both. In looking at my mailbox I see some forensic reports from 163 and aggregate reports from everyone I mentioned plus Comcast, Emailsrvr, XS4ALL, and QQ.

I don't remember if I eventually turned off forensic reporting, but I do remember that LinkedIn and Facebook were particularly strong proponents of DMARC (and both were really good about accidentally load testing our infrastructure). Oh and one very large provider that actually gave us unredacted messages.

Boy am I glad GDPR is a thing these days.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by pluma »

sdan wrote: post #8

Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…

Ironically most spam I've been getting recently is from Gmail addresses.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jraph »

djsumdog wrote: post #65
inferiorhuman wrote: post #37

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If you're really curious setup DMARC as well and check out the reports. I used to work for a company that did DMARC analytics, and after setting it up for my personal domain it's kind of interesting to see who's trying to impersonate you (or who's getting spam purportedly from you).

None of the big providers send DMARC messages. Google doesn't. Microsoft doesn't. The only DMARC messages I've ever gotten were from Yahoo and mail.ru. Google/Microsoft don't send DMARC reports because it would make it easier for spammers to know they had gotten past those filters. It's easier to just drop everything they don't like silently. It's why e-mail is terribly unreliable today (much more reliable if you DO…

I regularily receive dmarc reports from Google (every day) and yahoo for instance. Not sure I've ever received any dmarc report from hotmail though.

And email is pretty reliable with Google. It is a disaster with hotmail: you have to send a big number of emails to have a chance that hotmail treats your email as non spam. They put your self hosted emails in the spam folder of your regular contacts, and the fact that they respond to your emails and systematically mark them as non spam is an irrelevant detail for them.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by luckylion »

dajonker wrote: post #69
luckylion wrote: post #62

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> Email is all about reputation: it can take a lot of effort to build trust, but just one bad move and it's all gone. Is it though? That may well be true for small individuals, but the Spam I get these days comes via the large mail providers, Amazon SES, sendgrid etc, and nobody in their right mind is going to block them. "Too big to block" is a thing now, "too big to have to care about abuse reports" is too.

Yes, the big mail providers are an issue. But it's also an issue the other way around. We use Postmark at my place of work and unfortunately, that doesn't prevent all of our mail from being marked as spam. Some mail gets blocked because it comes from the same IP address as some spam mail. I know that Postmark puts effort in preventing spammers to use their service but Amazon probably doesn't care a lot about people m…

Wouldn't that imply that they have a lot of spammers on their network? As far as I understand, the value proposition is both "you don't need to worry about email" and "we have so many customers (sending legitimate emails that are very similar in content) and so little spam, we have great reputation and you're inheriting that reputation".

If that doesn't work out, is their reputation not good enough? Is the receiving server too strict? Are those blocks occurring on major providers or for individual servers where an annoyed person might just blacklist an IP if they get spam from them more than once?

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

osamagirl69 wrote: post #11
cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

I have a hotmail throwaway account (it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout) and its spam filter is completely backward. There is currently 373 e-mails in my inbox (100% spam, expected since it is a throwaway...) and 4 e-mails in my spam folder--100% of them the account registration/confirmation e-mails that I was wanted. I have migrated to fastmail for all of my personal e-mail, which I have…

When I last had to wrangle with MS (c.5 years ago, who were dropping all our email _replies_ to customers, they had a third party that you could pay to ensure your emails got through ... apparently the problem was our domain was on an IP hosted by a company who'd previously hosted (but didn't now) a company on a different IP and that other company has sent some spam.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tpetry »

skrause wrote: post #83
thih9 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you post examples? In my opinion free email services either belong to other big corporations or provide lower quality service than gmail. Few bucks a month add up and can be considered expensive by many. I don’t like google and I pay for a different email account. I just wanted to remind that gmail may be hard to quit and that costs are subjective.

I use https://mailbox.org/en/ , it's from a small German company and I can use my own domain with the smallest plan for just 1 € per month. Their spam filter also seems pretty good.

Until the day you get german spam mails because all spam filter are trained for english mails. Had to add a few keywords to tune the spam filter.
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