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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by osamagirl69 »

cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

I have a hotmail throwaway account (it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout) and its spam filter is completely backward. There is currently 373 e-mails in my inbox (100% spam, expected since it is a throwaway...) and 4 e-mails in my spam folder--100% of them the account registration/confirmation e-mails that I was wanted.

I have migrated to fastmail for all of my personal e-mail, which I have been pretty happy with. So far I haven't caught any legit email which has been categorized as spam and negligible spam that has made it through into my inbox (mailing lists notwithstanding--I sort them using automation rules). My one complaint is that there is no way to turn off their "thou shall not receive executable attachments" filter so I still need people to play the "set windows to show the file extension, change it to .txt, and then attach it" game when people want to send compiled code via e-mail.

In any case, it is certainly a much better situation than the gmail spam filter I used while in school, which had about a 10% chance of marking outside messages as spam--in fact it even started marking e-mails sent by my professor (via the university gmail) as spam...

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tipsysquid »

sdan wrote: post #8

Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…

For those of us that can, we must vote with our dollars. To divorce ourselves from Google is expensive and painful, but to ignore it is catastrophe

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by LeoPanthera »

sdan wrote: post #8

Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…

"Moving to Fastmail" is such a popular alternative that if they ever get to any kind of reasonable size we'll be in the same position all over again.

That should not be the suggestion. Many smaller providers encourages the competition necessary for an open network, not a small number of huge providers.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by Mistri »

I ran into this issue many years ago, and I eventually gave up trying to increase the reputation of my mail server. For all my projects that require mailing, I've now succumbed to spoofing headers using Gmail's SMTP, which surprisingly doesn't go to spam, or using a third party mailing service like AWS.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by gscott »

reaperducer wrote: post #3
cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

I sometimes wonder if certain companies can get white listed. There's a particular perfume company that sends spam to my gmail account every month. I've been marking it spam for at least five years, but somehow it always gets through. Remarkably, Fastmail has gotten to the point where its spam filter works better than Google's for the kind of messages I get.

The interesting thing about whitelisting is that you have to be sending a lot of emails so the company determine if you are sending spam or not. So if you have a private domain, your own mail server, and are sending only a small number of emails then your not going to get whitelisted. Sometimes you can get on a feedback loop but all that will tell you is if someone clicked on "this is spam".

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

#17

Post by unityByFreedom »

OP already received a decent reply,

> A quick look at Talos Intelligence reports a 1600% increase in email from your domain over the last day; email reputation os 'neutral' at this time. Not good, not bad, but neutral.

> Also you're on OVH, about which a quick look through the list's archives will possibly prove instructive. It's reasonably likely (as likely as not) that you're running on an IP in a neighbourhood with some poor neighbours.

> As Mathieu pointed out in his second email, building a good reputation takes time. Losing a good reputation is a matter of rather less time and can be influenced by factors outside of your control.

The rest of that reply chain is the usual debate:

OP. My domain's emails are marked as spam by Gmail

REPLY. Their system, their rules

OP. I don't accept that

Repeat ad nauseam.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

#18

Post by hansjorg »

It's a bit surprising that he got anything through without SPF and an MX record. That seems to be the minimum to get mail into the inbox for a new domain at least, so his domain probably had some positive reputation at one point.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by LeoPanthera »

osamagirl69 wrote: post #11
cnst wrote: post #2

I'm actually having a similar problem recently, although my messages are declined at the SMTP stage, "due to the very low reputation of the sending domain", which I attribute to the output of certain cron jobs being sent towards my own Gmail account — it seems like my whole primary domain name has subsequently been blacklisted a few weeks ago: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21340460 * https://mailman.nanog.or…

I have a hotmail throwaway account (it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout) and its spam filter is completely backward. There is currently 373 e-mails in my inbox (100% spam, expected since it is a throwaway...) and 4 e-mails in my spam folder--100% of them the account registration/confirmation e-mails that I was wanted. I have migrated to fastmail for all of my personal e-mail, which I have…

> it has since been migrated to outlook with the microsoft buyout

Aside: Microsoft bought Hotmail in 1997! How old is that account?!

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