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We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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While it sounds preposterous right now this problem will soon solve itself with already built "bike lanes". And bicycles are not the solution. The solution, as this article touches on, is light weight electric transport using the existing road structure. There's a strong indication of this future in the fact that last year the Dutch bought more electric bikes than normal bikes in total. And they paid twice as much fo…

If this is predicting electric bikes that can keep up with the current speed of the roads, I don't think it sounds meaningfully different from light motorcycles in terms of infrastructure. The vulnerability of the traveller sounds the same. But perhaps the lighter vehicle and environmental benefit will help it reach a critical mass where change will happen..

I think we're generally headed for slower roads in built up areas. It's the cheapest option. 15mph roads will probably be safe enough for cyclists and I personally believe stopping distances have got to come down a lot if we're ever going to let the robots drive cars in towns.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

#252

While it sounds preposterous right now this problem will soon solve itself with already built "bike lanes". And bicycles are not the solution. The solution, as this article touches on, is light weight electric transport using the existing road structure. There's a strong indication of this future in the fact that last year the Dutch bought more electric bikes than normal bikes in total. And they paid twice as much fo…

I think you're confusing ebikes with motorbikes. Ebikes are restricted to 25km/h, at least in my region. You sometimes see them going faster so you know they've been modded or aren't compliant. A lot of ebike riders are going faster than their skills would suggest, i.e. no time to build up experience of safe riding. I accelerate faster than many ebikes, on my CX bike (which is vastly better than your typical Amsterda…

Smaller engines are often less efficient, rarely have emissions control devices, and are more often two-stroke engines (which are much more visibly polluting and almost surely much more polluting in reality).

As deployed, they’re also often on vehicles that don’t get inspected and often don’t get maintained until they flat out don’t work.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

#253
Dreaming bigger than bicycles would be helpful as well. Electrification, and having more than two wheels is a big step up in terms of practicality.

There’s a real sweet spot somewhere around where electrified pedal tricycles, electric three wheel mopeds, and small electric cars like the Renault Twizy, that has huge potential.

I cycle everywhere but I’m realistic about the issues with mass adoption. Bicycles are fundamentally unstable and they are too narrow to expect road discipline by cyclists to be an emergent property. There is also a very narrow band of weather conditions, especially as a function of how hilly it is, where most people can cycle without overheating.

Electrification is a game changer but there’s no two ways about it: these are now literally motorbikes, with all the same potential for antisocial behavior (pavement riding, traffic weaving, shortcuts through pedestrian only areas.) Not being quite so efficient with the amount of road space used might benefit cyclist behavior and force the authorities hand into providing first class infrastructure for non-car travel.

My personal solution is a bit of a hack: ride a cargo bike with a large front bucket. Keeps me slow and riding safely :)

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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What I see a lot in this thread is people's either/or opinions. Love cars / hate bycicles or vice versa. No. It is a balancing act, where cars, bycicles and public transport co-exist, and infrastructure is developed strategically in smart ways and in a prolonged effort. When I was young in The Netherlands for the most part the cars still dominated the streets. Over time I've seen cities and road networks gradually be…

It really helps that in neither Denmark nor the Netherlands, helmets are mandatory. Unlike in say Sweden, where casual biking is having a hard time taking off. But it kind of bothers me that Danes and Dutchmen seem to be rather disinterested in one another's achievements on this front. There is a lot of lessons from both sides, that never seems to be discussed in one another's media, to the point (anecdote alert!) wh…

I haven't been to Denmark so I can't compare, but I agree there is much to be learned by looking at how other countries fare.

In the densely populated Netherlands we are facing very serious gridlock problems now with cars clogging the highways and railways at full capacity.

We can't keep building new infrastructure (highways) at the pace we did before, because - besides being very expensive - we lack the space for it. New solutions may lie in promoting remote work, carpooling and shortening home/work commute distances.

I also suspect that bicycle infra will be developed even further (e.g. with bike highways) as they take less space and are less disruptive to the landscape.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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The UV issue is a red herring. There are many reasons why people need to be outside and cycling is only one of them. UV is a manageable problem for walkers and outdoor workers, cyclists are not a special case. I guess that you've never been on a bike on a very hot day. It's much, much more pleasant to be ventilated by your self-created airflow on a bike than it is to to have sweat pouring down your back as you walk a…

I guess you've never experienced a 40-45c day. You sound like one of the regular tourist types we get who dismiss how seriously we take summer conditions and then end up with heatstroke and skin peeling off from sunburn. The 'self-created airflow' INCREASES the rate at which you gain temperature. Windchill is only 'chill' when the ambient air temperature is lower than your core temp. To cycle on a summer day, you nee…

> I guess you've never experienced a 40-45c day. You sound like one of the regular tourist types we get who dismiss how seriously we take summer conditions

Funnily enough I was thinking that about you, because on 40+ days we've got people out riding, overcrowding beaches, walking and some even sunbaking, many will be doing that without shirts on in the open sun and they're not going up in flames. Some poor buggers even have to work outside doing physical labor on such glorious beach days. Personally on days like that I like to go for a quick swim and spend the afternoon with a beer on a bowling green if I can. We've been doing this for generations, my great grandma was doing it before cars, sunscreen and aircon were invented and kids had to walk to school, indigenous people were doing it much longer. We aren't scared of the sun as our skin cancer rates will testify.

Of course these days there's people that take the doona off in the morning and enjoy their air conditioned house, run to their air conditioned car to work in their air conditioned office for 8 hours then do it all in reverse and never see the sun. Of course they don't climatise because they're living in a different climate.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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There is no wrong weather, just wrong gear.

And when there's a lot of snow, a bicycle is "wrong gear". (N.b. I ride in the snow for hundreds of kilometers every winter. I know you can take a fatbike to powder snow but that's just too strenuous for most people.)

Most cities don't get more snow than can be cleared from the roads.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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It's excellent to see momentum building like this. Cycling:

- Has lower cost-of-entry in terms of purchase/rental

- Keeps you healthier, which can also contribute to remaining active and mobile in older age

- Provides easier self-maintenance for most common faults

- Requires less fuel (particularly combustible/fossil)

- Can be just as fast, or faster, for transit from A to B in urban environments (especially with e-bikes)

- Is more social and human - cyclists can chat to each other while commuting or in transit, rather than being isolated in glass bubbles (which sometimes leads to misunderstanding and road rage when a simple conversation - even if a little confrontational - might resolve things)

- Requires less physical space - which eventually will make it easier to park cars, once we reclaim this inefficient use of our environments

- Pollutes less

- Is more easily portable within other modes of transport (trains, aircraft, or cars)

- Is, in the presence of good bicycle infrastructure, simply a much more pleasant, enjoyable, and self-directed way to travel

One remaining issue perhaps is large load-carrying; and that's certainly somewhere where cargo bikes and cargo e-bikes are innovating. And also a situation where the physical distribution of goods is changing (for example, via on-demand delivery services, some of which themselves use bicycle couriers).

It's really time to get people shifting towards bicycles in a big way. The arguments against it broadly do not stand, especially in the presence of e-bikes. Cars aren't going to go away, but they're way overused currently.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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Look up skin cancer rate maps. It’s no joke in Australia. People die and often. And then you have most populated regions in Asia with 40 degree summers with air so humid that taking a deep breath makes you cough. People still ride bikes, but there are days where it’s deadly to do so for long distance commuting. That’s not including typhoon periods where you’re liable to be whacked with debris and die (because work is…

Cars kill 65% as many people as skin cancer in Australia. Skin cancer is estimated to kill 1,725 in Australia in 2019 [1]. During 2018 there were 1,135 road deaths [2]. I think we could reduce the number of road deaths far faster than the number of skin cancer deaths would increase. [1]: https://melanoma.canceraustralia.gov.au/statistics [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

> Cars kill 65% as many people as skin cancer in Australia.

Which would become closer to 18% if the number of individuals exposed to prolonged sun time doubled (e.g. by promoting Cycling). We literally run public awareness TV campaigns telling people to stay out of direct sunlight as much as possible regardless of what protection they're wearing.

I don't think you realise it but you're proving the point.

Bikes are fine when the weather is favourable, but a lot of the people commenting here just don't grasp the fact that in some parts of the world, unfavourable weather doesn't mean you might sweat a bit, it means that the weather will make you sick and kill you in short order. The same people that dismiss warnings when visiting countries like AU and then leave with their skin peeling off.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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If people biked more then there would be less disabled people. No one who spends a couple hours a day on a bike is losing a leg to diabetes. Or getting hurt in a car accident, if they aren’t near cars.

Diabetes is a genetic condition No one is not having diabetes because is biking...

T2 diabetes is mostly a lifestyle disease.

Re: We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes

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post #232

What I see a lot in this thread is people's either/or opinions. Love cars / hate bycicles or vice versa. No. It is a balancing act, where cars, bycicles and public transport co-exist, and infrastructure is developed strategically in smart ways and in a prolonged effort. When I was young in The Netherlands for the most part the cars still dominated the streets. Over time I've seen cities and road networks gradually be…

I agree that it's a balancing act, but what are we balancing? What are we maximizing for? It's critical we ask the right questions.

For example, why has bike commuting declined recently in the United States? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/02/bike-w... It's not like cities like San Francisco and Seattle became bike hostile (if they have, I haven't heard it).

Bike commuting is only used by 1 percent of people in large metro areas in the United States. https://www.thetransportpolitic.com/databook/travel-mode-sha...

Public transportation use is also falling in the United States. https://www.govtech.com/fs/transportation/2018-Was-the-Year-...

I love bike commuting. My life is better when I ride my bike to work, but I can't always do it. It's critical that as we think about the future we think about how to improve personal mobility. That's the key.

I'm skeptical that the future is automobiles with single occupants or bikes or scooters. People will gravitate toward toward personalized transportation that gets to where they want to be comfortably, quickly, and within their budgets.

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