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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:47 PM UTC

riq_ wrote: post #150

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

> Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. First of all: You are not wrong. But similar things can be said about USA. USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they m…

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by throwmex » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:49 PM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #193

powerapple wrote: post #183

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Why? Do you think bombing xinjiang is better?

Well, I haven't heard, lately, of a million ughyur imprisoned in real concentration camps in the US.

But made to flee their homes as refugees in middle though.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by mercurialshark » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

riq_ wrote: post #150

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

> Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned thousands of religious minorities in re-education camps. First of all: You are not wrong. But similar things can be said about USA. USA steals a lot of stuff too. But of course the American press won't tell you about that. Or if they m…

That's factually incorrect. The United States has the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which prohibits the US from providing information or resources to American companies obtained from intelligence collection activities.

See Why We Spy on Our Allies R. James Woolsey, a Washington lawyer and a former Director of Central Intelligence.

http://cryptome.org/echelon-cia2.htm?utm_medium=referral&utm...

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by majia » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

jhasse wrote: post #105

codedokode wrote: post #77

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How keeping production away from China will help the oppressed?

By not helping the Chinese government.

“I have to kill you in order to save you” logic.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by dzader » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

hugi wrote: post #167

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

I'm constantly amazed by how Americans think they're so awesome that they think they can criticize China politically.

we are.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by bduerst » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:52 PM UTC

smacktoward wrote: post #61

pinkfoot wrote: post #46

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Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

The problem is that these types of regimes tend to preside over a system that's extremely stable, right up to the moment when it really really is not . Batista's Cuba was very stable and friendly to foreign investment too, for instance. Then along came Castro, and suddenly not only was it not particularly stable, but lots of those foreign companies had all their holdings expropriated by the new government for having…

The difference being that China's culture, for the most part, is okay with the surveillance state. There's protests for sure, and places Hong Kong (an ex-British colony) are not okay with it, but most Chinese citizens are aware of the censorship and don't care.

I think what's happening more is that westerners are projecting their own culture and philosophies onto the population. Americans are especially passionate about free-speech and they assume that Chinese citizen's share that, hence all the doom prophesying like your comment.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by e40 » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

It's clear that globalization has some nasty side effects. Yes, there were people sounding these alarms back in the 90's. Did we heed them? No. I thought it was a little shrill. Now? I'm convinced that globalization has done some powerful good in the world, but it has also done some serious damage.

The entire tilt to the right is the reaction to globalization. The Daily podcast (NYT) had a week-long series going to various EU countries and talking with people on the ground. It was eye opening, to say the least. I highly recommend it.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by throwaway66666 » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 7:01 PM UTC

deehouie wrote: post #190

40acres wrote: post #123

In the short term, moving to China is always the right move, the labor is cheaper, the regulation is lighter, the market is gigantic and the middle class is growing every day. In the long term, I believe we are mortgaging our future. Not only is China ripping off IP but companies like Apple who try to be "woke" have no buisness advocating for equality at home while doing buisness with a nation that has imprisoned tho…

If you believe USA has better human rights record, think again. Just read about how this country treats its black citizens. Let me mention the Vietnam war, for which most HN readers are probably familiar with. I was in the War Remnants Museum in Saigon and here is what I saw. In one photo, taken by US journalist, a Viet Cong was being held on the ground by American GIs, a rag is placed over the man's face and water i…

Also... the USA is the only country that has used nuclear weapons against another country. And they dared do it twice!

We think of them as barbarians. They think of us as barbarians. And the cycle of finger pointing goes on. Such a dangerous mindset to have.

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by mindthegap » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 7:07 PM UTC

peterhadlaw wrote: post #189

sgift wrote: post #164

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I invite you to Dachau if you want a tour there. Dachau never was a formal extermination camp, but it was the concentration camp after which all other concentration camps were modeled and then modified. Maybe after a tour there you learn to be quiet about things you don't understand.

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So after all your research you are saying concentration camps and extermination camps are the same?

Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by mAEStro-paNDa » Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

sonnyblarney wrote: post #180

40acres wrote: post #168

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Trust me, I'm an equal opportunity critic when it comes to human rights. In the same breath that I condemn the Chinese government for it's actions in Xianjiang I condemn the current administration for locking up children at our border. Life is too grey to silence yourself on issues you care strongly about.

If you're comparing Xianjiang and what's happening at the border then this is not eve remotely 'equal opportunity' criticism - it's classical Chinese moral relativism. In Xianjiang people are being rounded up for their religion or ethnicity, thrown into concentration camps, made 'non-persons', tortured, killed, if they die on trumped up charges their organs are harvested. It's Nazi-Germany level stuff. The US is not…

The China stuff aside, I wish I had time to address all of the points made in this comment in full. Frankly it's a severely misleading explanation that edges very close to misinformation.

Quoting the grandparent comment exactly, the US is in fact "locking up children". They are also not "free to leave". Most detainees are required to wait for their hearing. In addition, no rule has been discarded. The push for zero-tolerance policy at the border led to family separation, and is precisely what's happening to these people, which makes this "golden rule" completely bunk. Further, illegal immigration isn't even as high now as it was in 2014.

This is not even taking into account the issue with illegal immigration and seeking asylum being a criminal issue, the fact that people within the US are being deported, not just those attempting to come in the southern border, and lastly, the reasons why people are fleeing these countries as well as the historical context and the US's role in that.