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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by gridlockd »

bin0 wrote: post #693
robinmayfair wrote: post #660

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“Full Stop” is always a good argument. I have a USB-C card reader which I guarantee you is faster than the one you have. Sure, internal card readers were nice. But they’re gone from Apple now. Really not sure why people keep talking about this.

Show me the SD card that can saturate USB 3 or USB C. The fastest sony cards top out at about 300Mbps. Heck, USB 2 could handle that at top speed (theoretically; most implementations stunk). USB C is better with really high bandwidth things like eGPU, 4k displays, etc., but sd cards are not the best argument to make here.

You're mixing up bits (Mb/s) and bytes (MB/s). Some SD cards are rated at up to 300MB/s, about 10x what USB2 can deliver.

It often used to be the case that internal SD card readers are USB2, even when the device has an USB3 port.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by erikpukinskis »

pedalpete wrote: post #287
mrkstu wrote: post #70

Hopefully this signals the end of the designers tyranny at Apple. While physical design has been of paramount importance in Apple's rise to the top, it has been more and more detrimental as Jony and his group wandered into worshipping at the altar of luxury and Platonic idealism. When combined with /not/ ignoring other than luxury market segments and usability that was fine. But when Jony's star was completely ascend…

Actually, the tyranny of design at Apple existed long before Jonny Ive. It began with Donald Norman who regularly discusses his Philip Starck juicer which "not meant to squeeze lemons, it is meant to start conversations." I can't find the quote, but Donald Norman said something along the lines of "create something beautiful and people will say it's wonderful and easy to use". This has always been the Apple way, and I…

It’s just not true. The early iOS had great fundamental usability.

The new voice recorder app is fundamentally worse than its predecessor in almost every way. IOS usability not a flat line. It started above industry standards, brought the whole industry up with it (Google would never have invested in Material Design without Apple’s competitiveness), and then seemingly when Scott Forstall left, took a real downturn.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by ladberg »

OldSchoolJohnny wrote: post #755
webbrahmin wrote: post #607

I used to love my mac book pro. Sadly, it is not the same device which it used to be. The quest to make it thinner has actually made it a substandard machine. I feel Apple has lost a lot of developer love and brand capital since Jobs. I am hoping things would improve on the product front. Not all devs live in the US. For devs in developing countries, a mac book pro is a serious investment. We want a machine which is…

MBP was rarely the best option for most developers, just the coolest one or they were succumbing to peer pressure, any other explanation has always been inexplicable.

So far it's been the best option for me when it comes to getting work done efficiently without banging my head against a wall. What would you recommend?

Most of the developers I know have no shame and can't be peer pressured, and still often use MacBooks.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by gridlockd »

slantyyz wrote: post #710
gridlockd wrote: post #707

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> Also, a lot of cables will wear out, and they will stop working when you need them the most (I've ruined quite a few video dongles) Okay, but if a dongle breaks, you just buy another dongle. If a video port breaks, that's a much more expensive replacement - though I suppose you can get a USB video dongle these days. On a side note, I wish that wireless video was more of a thing, given the security issues with physi…

>> Okay, but if a dongle breaks, you just buy another dongle. Sure. But what if you're onsite somewhere and can't get one nearby? This is a huge problem if you're somewhere where you are required to use a wire for networking (these places do exist).

Buy a spare.

> What if the spare breaks as well?

The universe hates you, you're doomed.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

rhacker wrote: post #745
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #732

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A couple counterarguments: (1) "No way with the cables included in the box" is not the same as "no way." There's a USB-C to Lightning cable in the bag right next to me. That lets me plug a top of the line Apple laptop into a top of the line Apple phone. With no dongle, even. (2) In practice, there are zero times over the last two years that I've had to plug a phone into a laptop. I can't honestly remember why I bough…

The people waving fists aren't doing it for "PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER". They are literally forced to use extra dongles and components for THEIR workflow. Here's my reason: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Headset-H390-Noise-Cancellin... I can't find any replacements. Anyone on my team that tries whatever bluetooth whatever, they always sound distant or scratchy just plain lagged. On the other hand they keep asking me t…

I'm not sure if you're the one who downvoted me, but dude, the "workflow" that I was responding to was not YOUR workflow, was it? I was specifically responding to someone who said there was "no way" to connect an iPhone to a USB-C MacBook, pointing out they were just flat-out wrong. You can make that connection very easily, with no dongles involved.

I'm sorry if you thought I was making some blanket statement that all workflows are absolutely wonderful under all circumstances on laptops that have moved to USB-C, but I also don't think that would be a remotely fair reading of what I wrote.

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Post by bin0 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #756
bin0 wrote: post #693

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Show me the SD card that can saturate USB 3 or USB C. The fastest sony cards top out at about 300Mbps. Heck, USB 2 could handle that at top speed (theoretically; most implementations stunk). USB C is better with really high bandwidth things like eGPU, 4k displays, etc., but sd cards are not the best argument to make here.

The fastest SD cards are 300 megabytes/second, not megabit. All my Sandisk Extreme Pro cards, for example. I also have a bunch of Extreme Pro CF cards that are 160MB/s. And then there's CFast - speeds in the 400MB/s range.

Apologies, I messed up my capitalization. That ought to have been "MB". You're right that things like compact flash are faster, but USB 3 has can handle over 600 MB per second.

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Post by gridlockd »

jlarocco wrote: post #740
gridlockd wrote: post #683

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> No SD card reader means the new MBP just couldn’t do this without dongles, full stop. So you go out and buy a dongle. Or you just connect the Camera with a cable and you don't have to fiddle with the tiny SD card. I personally never use SD cards, or any other flash cards. I never use the ethernet jack on a laptop. I very rarely use thumbdrives or other USB devices. I also don't use serial out, or PCMCIA, or compact…

It's great that you don't mind throwing out all of your peripherals every time Apple decides to remove a port. I personally have better things to spend money on, so I generally don't get rid of my devices until they stop working. Apple's made it a PITA to do that, so I've stopped buying their products. Problem solved.

I don't throw them out. I buy another dongle.

Here's a selection of connectors that you can supply with Thunderbolt3 or plain USB dongles, most of which I actually own:

- Serial-Port

- Parallel-Port

- PS/2 Port

- USB A/B/C/Mini/Micro Port

- Firewire 400/800

- HDMI (and Mini HDMI)

- DVI

- VGA

- DisplayPort and Mini Displayport

- 10/100/1000 Mbit/s Ethernet

- SD/MiniSD/MicroSD Card

- CF Card

- Memory Stick

- SATA/mSATA

- IDE

- 3,5mm and 6.35mm audio jacks

Not everyone needs all of these ports, all of the time. They need some of these ports, some of the time - but everyone's requirements are different. You probably wouldn't argue that a Macbook should have Firewire Ports, but those are some of the most expensive devices you'd have, if you have them.

Should the Macbooks have more ports? Absolutely, but they should be Thunderbolt 3 ports.

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Post by __david__ »

slantyyz wrote: post #699
foldr wrote: post #690

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The haptic trackpads on the newer macbooks are perfect for this. You can click anywhere on the pad and the amount of pressure required is exactly the same. It's not tap to click, because you need to actually press down for a click to register.

They aren't for me. While I would say Macs have always had excellent pads, I still hated them. I want to be able to have a finger on a physical button that doesn't detect any touch movements when dragging something.

You have to turn off "Tap to click" in the touchpad preferences. I can't remember if it is on by default or not, but it's the one thing I can't deal with. Any sort of accidental brush acts like a click and that's annoying, which sounds like what you are complaining about.

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Post by gridlockd »

giobox wrote: post #751
gridlockd wrote: post #683

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> No SD card reader means the new MBP just couldn’t do this without dongles, full stop. So you go out and buy a dongle. Or you just connect the Camera with a cable and you don't have to fiddle with the tiny SD card. I personally never use SD cards, or any other flash cards. I never use the ethernet jack on a laptop. I very rarely use thumbdrives or other USB devices. I also don't use serial out, or PCMCIA, or compact…

I've on three separate occasions had to run to an Apple store to buy the SD card reader dongle AGAIN because I left one of them at home while travelling. On each occasion the only option was the expensive 50 dollar SanDisk one, so i'm 150 dollars out of pocket due to this questionable choice already. My wife has had similar experiences with the HDMI adapter. This was of course never a problem during the years in whic…

I'll let you in on a secret: You don't have to buy Apple-branded dongles if you have an Apple computer.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=usb-c+sd-card+reader

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=thunderbolt+3+hdmi

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by ksec »

mrcarruthers wrote: post #713
felideon wrote: post #703

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Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Even worse yet, once you get the dongle you cannot use your mouse while it is charging cause the port is on the bottom.

>If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other.

All these worse case assume you can actually walk into an Apple Store in the first place. They are jam packed and a complete mess.

( I haven't seen the new layout and workflow of Post Angela Ahrendts Apple Store yet, so many be they are better now. )

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