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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone,…

And iPhones received security updates for 5 years (60 months) vs the typical 18 months or leas on Androids because carriers suck.

> because carriers suck

I'm conflicted on this topic. on one hand carriers are acting like total trash about android security. on the other hand people aren't forced into a lease and can get a vanilla android one device from a lot of different vendors and enjoy faster upgrades from the vendor and extended upgrades from projects like lineageos.

I think the root cause is the general populace voting with their wallet in a way that doesn't align with the best practices as seen from a more security conscious mindset.

however this issue intersects weirdly with budgeting and upgrading frequency. bar consideration on used market depreciation, one iphone purchase can get you 3 midrange android phones, so for the same budget you'd be more or less on the same os "freshness" for a comparable period of time, so to say, with increasingly better hardware and fresher batteries (because if you take 5 years as a iOS device lifetime you'll be hit by battery and subsequent performance degradation, likely twice), and of course if one has the budget to change device every year the issue disappears regardless of the platform.

as long as one can avoid carriers devices, I guess.

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Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

> I have a Lenovo T480 which is 10x better than a T490. Snag one while you can... The T490 is a regression, I agree, but the upcoming Lenovo P53 looks to be a great machine. It has almost same chassis (just a couple improved ports) as the P52, which is (IMO) superior to the T480. And you can get it with Linux installed at the factory! There seems to be a consistent slide, where once-venerable machines like the Macboo…

> The T490 is a regression...

What about T490s? My university offers one but we can also receive the same amount of money as research funding. Do you think it'd be wise to choose the T490s over money? I mean, has this model improved things in the Lenovo series?

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?

It is an absurd position that your way of thinking is logical while the counterparty’s is emotional. In fact quite dishonest as a rhetorical technique. Less of a notch that is asymmetrical would look worse due to human preference for symmetry, and what the parent said is that the current solution does in fact put the statusbar at notch level. So why does it matter?

I suggest looking at the response the user made to the comment for a different reaction than your comment. Also i didn't say one way was better nor that I looked at it logically, or did I?

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So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?

Well “logically” I absolutely hated it when it was announced, like it is a ridiculous thing to do. Actually using it and I don’t mind it a single bit, and that’s all that matters. I bet most people hating on it have not used it more than minutes.

Interesting! Good design is human in nature and may sometimes be against a colder logical approach. I do wonder about brand and identity though but those are harder to look at from a distance.

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I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

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> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If I want to get 10 GB of RAW photos onto my 2013 MacBook Pro, I just pop the SD card out of the camera and into the laptop. Transfer is done in about a minute or two.

No SD card reader means the new MBP just couldn’t do this without dongles, full stop. That’s a step backwards.

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A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.

OS?

I'm lucky enough to be on Android One, so the only contact point I've with Android OS is the notifications and every now and then the settings app, everything else I've replaced, from the launcher to alarm application to the browser.

People care of iOS mostly because they're forced to interact with iOS bundled apps daily and well, if you compare those bundled app with the mess that's on non Android One devices Apple comes on top, but there are other choices.

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Well it can be called an issue. I wouldn't call it a problem though. What we are trying to solve is: We need more than just screen on the front of the phone, how do we solve this?

By having more than just screen? We need a camera, let's have a camera. "We need more than just screen but don't want to have it visible" is an annoyance at best, not a problem we should be focusing on. Even design wise, there are several more severe problems with iPhones they could concentrate on...

Now, I specifically clarified that I wouldn't call it a problem.

Issue is not a weird word in development.

There are a lot of actual big problems with your reasoning, but there are more productive things for me to concentrate on.

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Here's a good explanation: https://www.redmondpie.com/why-most-2018-smartphones-have-ch...

That's fascinating, I had no idea. I commend them on their willingness to see this design decision through, yet I wonder if it is actually good design. The article already mentions it makes the phone more expensive and I do wonder, if it does not make the phone also harder to use? At least on my android, I already find the chin on the smaller side and with big hands it gets harder to grasp the phone at a part where I…

I've never accidentally activated anything with my palm on my iPhone X or XS. I think Apple just has superior palm rejection (see also their massive laptop trackpads)

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If I want to get 10 GB of RAW photos onto my 2013 MacBook Pro, I just pop the SD card out of the camera and into the laptop. Transfer is done in about a minute or two. No SD card reader means the new MBP just couldn’t do this without dongles, full stop. That’s a step backwards.

“Full Stop” is always a good argument. I have a USB-C card reader which I guarantee you is faster than the one you have.

Sure, internal card readers were nice. But they’re gone from Apple now. Really not sure why people keep talking about this.

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