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Post by AJ007 »

nightski wrote: post #325
enos_feedler wrote: post #302

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I play one "AAA" game: NHL. I buy a ps4 pro for $400 and then every 12 months I have to buy a $70 game and a $60 ps online membership. For this money I also need to wait 5+ minutes to get my ps4 out of sleep mode and into a multiplayer game. The service experiences pretty consistent downtime where I am locked out. The ps messages mobile app is terrible for trying to chat with a player. In game experience is even wors…

Traveling with Stadia would be difficult imo. They already mentioned it's going to be pretty brutal experience on 4G while 5G should be good (but is barely available at all). However every hotel WiFi I have experienced is generally abysmal. So not sure how you are planning on streaming this service seamlessly on the go.

5G, if you want to only use it outside while standing right by a 5G antenna.

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Post by abdulmuhaimin »

nathankunicki wrote: post #291
djanogo wrote: post #250

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Steam is Valve's only business, if Steam shuts down that mean whole company is in trouble or about to go bankrupt or bought out. Google can shutdown Stadia because VP changed or Director got promoted to another part of business and nobody is there to sell this product internally - which means it gets shut down.

I can play NES games from 35 years ago despite the fact that Nintendo has ceased manufacturing the console and publishing the games. As soon as Steam decides to shut down (and it will one day, be it tomorrow, or 30 years from now, those games are no longer playable). Nothing lasts forever.

Valve already promise that in the unlikely event the were to shutdown, they would cancel DRM on their platform game to become DRM free

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Post by abdulmuhaimin »

fastball wrote: post #288
hartator wrote: post #262

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1080p games should be able to run on a low spec PC. Why not buying the actual game?

What modern game can run at 1080p/60fps on a low spec PC? What kinda of cost are we talking about when you say "low spec"?

the free one is 1080p/30fps, not 60fps.

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Post by grogenaut »

generalpf wrote: post #307
dwrowe wrote: post #303

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Except Valve could issue a final update that disables the DRM Check, and the game is still playable locally, right? More likely than Stadia developing a local client to sync game content/licenses to.

Valve doesn’t have the right to do this. They have an agreement with publishers that they will supply it.

They actually do have the right to do this and a technical implementation. Essentially they've escrowed enough cash to run the drm for many years in the future even if they went out of business so they keep their agreements and their customers happy.

Also, having worked in game sales, it turns out that buying "drm free unlocks of long tail" games is not expensive. How do you think things like PS Plus Free Games works? Essentially game devs book revenue now for possibl future revenue lost. It's a smart trade for most games unless that game is say skyrim.

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Post by msbarnett »

notimetorelax wrote: post #223
zeusk wrote: post #211

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Still a no deal for me, if my purchases in Stadia cannot grant me access to the game on other platforms. Who knows when Google decides Stadia isn't worth it anymore?

Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

Not at all? You can (indeed, have to) download your purchases from Steam. Many of which are DRM free. Valve has also said they'll remove Valve DRM from the games that use it in the unlikely event they shut down.

There are, in other words, obvious contingency plans.

With this, the game you "own" lives and runs solely on Google's servers. If they decide to shut those servers down, you're fucked.

But good thing Google isn't known for suddenly EOLing popular products, right?

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Post by oneshotthrowawa »

gnufied wrote: post #326
nathankunicki wrote: post #293

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Steam, one day, will disappear. Not tomorrow, but perhaps 100 years from now. On that day, you will no longer be able to download or even play those games for more than a few days.

Will I be alive to care?

owning things means that people then inherit things when you die

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Post by JeremyBanks »

sigzero wrote: post #286
ineedasername wrote: post #195

As a (slightly) more than casual gamer, this is a hard sell. I have a deep catalog of games in Steam & GOG, and having to re-purchase them is a non-starter, especially given alternative streaming services that let me use my back catalog. It's even more surprising that Google doesn't have some way of accounting for this because GOG does: at least for a limited selection of games, GOG let's you link to Steam and get th…

I think you are not alone in that opinion. It seems like a bad choice to say to consumers "You have to buy those games again to use with Stadia.".

What is the alternative?

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Post by shaklee3 »

zeusk wrote: post #225
notimetorelax wrote: post #223

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Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

Not quite. I can play steam games offline, I can share them with my friends/family and the most important part being - steam's platform has been reliable with top notch support since 90s while Google hasn't gotten that even in 2019.

Steam was launched in 2003...

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Post by drusepth »

abdulmuhaimin wrote: post #333
fastball wrote: post #288

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What modern game can run at 1080p/60fps on a low spec PC? What kinda of cost are we talking about when you say "low spec"?

the free one is 1080p/30fps, not 60fps.

The free Stadia tier is 1080p at 60fps. Ctrl+F "Stadia Base" at stadia.com.

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Post by shmerl »

paxys wrote: post #179

The fact that you have to pay full-price for games AND rely on a cloud service makes this a nonstarter for me. The only way this could work is with a good subscription gaming model like Xbox Game Pass or PS Now. Or you give me a guarantee that I can take my games to another platform once Google inevitably shuts this down.

> The fact that you have to pay full-price for games AND rely on a cloud service makes this a nonstarter for me.

I'd say it's not an issue. Why should cloud service equal subscription (renting)? Imagine a game that uses too much computational power to run on any local PC (a game using some complex AI that requires a cluster of servers for example). Cloud service is a good target for it. Why can't it be offered with "pay once, play as much as you want" approach? If it's just for pushing more pixels per second, then I agree - there is no need for cloud service for that.

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