Stadia Founder's Edition • Hacker News Board

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by judge2020 » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:36 PM UTC

cannonedhamster wrote: post #136

tschwimmer wrote: post #89

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Check out Fast.com. If your loaded latency numbers are high, it's possible you won't do well with Stadia. The best test is going to be using it. There are too many factors to have a good predictive test.

Last mile times are always going to cause lag. 5g won't be rolled out for years, then you'll need a phone to take advantage of it so that's not going to help. Last mile in US performance is really poor unless you're on full fiber which isn't offered in most of the US. Even with direct peering to the ISPs, which they don't have, this isn't likely to be a superior experience compared to a local machine. They'll have to…

> which they don't have,

Can't directly refute this, but wouldn't you think GCP is peered with the vast majority of local ISPs (in America and maybe the EU)?

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by judge2020 » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:38 PM UTC

calebegg wrote: post #161

falcolas wrote: post #64

Anyone know of a "how will Stadia perform on my ISP" check (all I see is a bandwidth check, which is not the same)? I'm not expecting anything (I'm on average 50ms ping to servers, 120ms ping if you include processing on the remote end), but it would be good to have confirmation. I'm also disappointed by the dramatic extension of the "you don't own the games you buy", since there's not even an option to download the…

They link to https://projectstream.google.com/speedtest

Doesn't look like latency is taken into account, which is probably more important than bandwidth (when bandwidth is >10mbps).

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by notimetorelax » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #211

yegle wrote: post #190

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You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

Still a no deal for me, if my purchases in Stadia cannot grant me access to the game on other platforms. Who knows when Google decides Stadia isn't worth it anymore?

Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by kickopotomus » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:48 PM UTC

KukicAdnan wrote: post #172

enumjorge wrote: post #131

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Not sure if you already accounted for this, but the monthly subscription only includes a subset of their catalog. For any game outside of that you’ll need to pay for the subscription plus purchase the game. So yes, if the game(s) you want to play one of the included games and the service goes bust you don’t lose much. If you purchased a title and service goes bust then you likely lost that money.

I don't see that any different from my current PS4 setup. Except I had to pay for the console $400, pay for PS Plus to play online $60/yr, and pay for games that I want to play $60/game. But with PS4 I'm locked in to playing on my 1 TV at home or a small catalog of games I have very little interest in with PS Now. With Stadia, if I can play the latest AAA games anywhere for $10/mo and the experience is rock solid 99%…

$10/mo * 12 = $120/yr and still paying $60/game for AAA. Alternatively, there is supposed to be a "basic" option coming in 2020 with no subscription fee where you just pay for each game but then what happens when Google gives Stadia the axe? Will users be able to claim licenses or local copies of games they paid for?

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by zeusk » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:54 PM UTC

notimetorelax wrote: post #223

zeusk wrote: post #211

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Still a no deal for me, if my purchases in Stadia cannot grant me access to the game on other platforms. Who knows when Google decides Stadia isn't worth it anymore?

Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

Not quite. I can play steam games offline, I can share them with my friends/family and the most important part being - steam's platform has been reliable with top notch support since 90s while Google hasn't gotten that even in 2019.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by nathankunicki » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

yegle wrote: post #190

paxys wrote: post #179

The fact that you have to pay full-price for games AND rely on a cloud service makes this a nonstarter for me. The only way this could work is with a good subscription gaming model like Xbox Game Pass or PS Now. Or you give me a guarantee that I can take my games to another platform once Google inevitably shuts this down.

You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

Not at launch, this is promised for 2020.

Until then you will have to buy the game and pay the subscription fee.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by NovaS1X » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #121

techntoke wrote: post #78

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> also it's a real PITA to build a good gaming rig these days It's like as hard as putting together some legos. For $800 you can get a great setup these days.

Do you really believe this? I've actually looked into buying a gaming rig recently, and the amount of choices one has to make is impressive. Plus, even if picking and assembling hardware is easy (and it isn't for the average person), there is the aspect of system administration. I haven't admin'd a Windows box for a long time, but it's not a responsibility I'd take lightly.

It really is that easy.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by nathankunicki » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #225

notimetorelax wrote: post #223

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Isn’t it very similar to Steam?

Not quite. I can play steam games offline, I can share them with my friends/family and the most important part being - steam's platform has been reliable with top notch support since 90s while Google hasn't gotten that even in 2019.

You can only play them offline as long as it can check in to Steam every few days. If (once) Steam is turned off, it will no longer be able to do that.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by nathankunicki » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 9:59 PM UTC

worble wrote: post #204

yegle wrote: post #190

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You can buy the game and use Stadia without subscription. You are capped at 1080p though.

If you buy the game, do you actually own it though? Or do you lose it when Stadia shuts down? If I'm going to pay full price for a game, then I want to be able to play it 10 or 20 years from now.

To be fair, this is little different to buying a game on the PlayStation Store or Xbox Store. As soon as those go offline, you will no longer be able to download those games.

And so you'll be at the mercy of the lifespan of the hard drive. You won't be able to copy the games to another device as it won't be able to validate ownership.

Re: Stadia Founder's Edition

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Post by morrbo » Thu, Jun 06, 2019, 10:01 PM UTC

KukicAdnan wrote: post #30

This is right up my alley being a pretty casual gamer. I have a 1GB Fiber connection at home so streaming shouldn't be an issue, the cost is fairly minimal, and not having the worry about downloading or updating games and just being able to pick up the controller and have a quick gaming session will be perfect. And the cost to entry is very low, so even if the service is a bust and I leave after the 3 free months, I'…

Honest question now, you say you're a casual gamer, do you have a pc with a video card? With a gigabit connection, updates are really a non-issue. I can't see why people with even moderate gaming rigs ($150 gpu) would bother with this service? Is 4k really that big of a deal?