Will this effect apps that i use on an ipad and an android phone that share a login?
Apple Sign In
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This is Apple sensing weakness and dropping a bomb right on facebook’s doorstep. And they sidestep the anticompetitive angle by arguing that instant anonymous sign on is simply a better UX, which it is. Someone at Apple deserves a raise.
Lol, I doubt it. Apple is years late and sucks at doing the leg work of getting third parties to adopt its suck. Look at Apple Pay which was launched at the perfect time.
Apple Pay has been my primary payment method since the day it launched in the UK.
Fortunately, most payment terminals in London already supported NFC payments thanks to NFC debit and credit cards long being prevalent here, and Apple Pay is just tokenised NFC payments.
Same is true of literally every iPhone owner I know, and usage simply increased as payment limits went from £20 to £30 to unlimited (unlimited on Apple Pay, but still limited to £30 on NFC cards or when using older payment terminals).
Plus I got to ditch my oyster card and just use weekly fare capping after a while too. Good times.
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I don’t think that is a fair comparison. Aside from hardware va software I personally have never had an issue with apple products last 3 or more years. Get apple care and they just fix or replace it when anything goes wrong. Better experience then my friends seem to have with other manufactures.
I have a collection of broken apple products from other people who were going to throw them out. Usually they have a fairly minor issue but its just about impossible to fix because of the use of insane amounts of glue or one way clips
I went through the pile of Apple stuff we'd collected over the last few years and repaired them myself. Annoying + fiddly but simple and extremely possible with some spare parts, a $20 toolkit, and care + patience.
The battery glue is like a 3M command strip, you're supposed to remove it by applying tension to the side. You need the heat source if the strip breaks and gets trapped underneath, but I used dental floss instead.
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#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
I already have explained; there's no alternative to iOS for apple mobile devices unless you're willing to pay more than $500 for an equivalent level of android device. If Apple allows Android to be installed to Apple devices, then things can be different though.
Same applies to PlayStation, XBox, Switch, FitBit, Tesla, Thermomix etc. Pretty much the standard.
In fact software monopolies on hardware isn't pretty much the standard, it's a universal reality in just about all consumer products except one—the personal computer. And even then it's exceedingly rare for a consumer to deviate from the shipped software.
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It seems rude (like if I told you to drop off a package at my back door and you put it by the front door), but I given the existence of RFC 5233 I don't see how this would be "data about me I haven't explicitly given you". Also, if you try to mail people based on GeoIP data, you're going to have a bad time.
It's about permission. If I give a company a certain set of contact details, and they run some process to find other ways to contact me that seems unfair and beyond what I've given permission for. The fact that it's trival to find my real email from an alias I think is irrelevant - it's still an abuse of trust. Like I say, I can see a correlation with more invasive methods of finding other ways to contact me that I h…
user+detail@domain.com
user@domain.com
The 'detail' is optional, and doesn't infer any privacy.
It's kind of like if you get mail delivered to:
nprateem, office 2, university of ycombinator
and instead they only store:
nprateem, university of ycombinator
Odds are, mail will still be delivered to you, but it might not come to office 2, and might come to office 1 instead. It's not what you wanted, but there's absolutely no impact to your privacy by them stripping away additional details.
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#486Earlier quoted context omitted.
this is the same problem you get from any identity provider — what happens when you finally delete your facebook? — it's just more obvious with Apple. With a 97% satisfaction rate, most iPhone users don’t want to go anywhere else… but yes, if you want to stay free, you should always create credentials directly with any app or service you use, when possible. That said, the concept of "Apple Sign-In" for Android and ot…
Yes, but while I can choose to log in with facebook, or google, or whatever, it appears that Apple are mandating that app providers use the Apple sign-in, which means app users no longer get to choose. Unless I'm misunderstanding what the mandatory part is.
They are mandating that if you offer any other authentication provider (e.g. Facebook, Google, etc), that you have to offer Apple sign-in as an option as well.
The option is mandatory. End users using it is optional.
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#487Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a world where every other tech company swindles and manipulates consumers at every opportunity, I'm happy that at least one is incentivized to do the opposite, and has the power to do so.
Apple swindles, manipulates and mistreats developers to further their own ends. It's perhaps less evil than the kind of wholesale data-farming the other big tech companies are engaged in, but it still doesn't make me like the idea of Apple ascendant. And I was raised on Macs, giving Apple a heavy nostalgia bonus that they burned years ago.
How is it evil? Apple is saying that their customers aren't yours to pillage. No developer is forced to write for the Apple platform. If a developer doesn't like the terms, there will always be another developer willing to fill the gap.
Who said the Windows/Android model is the morally correct one anyway?
As a customer I'm glad that Apple is providing a truly different alternative.
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#488Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's about permission. If I give a company a certain set of contact details, and they run some process to find other ways to contact me that seems unfair and beyond what I've given permission for. The fact that it's trival to find my real email from an alias I think is irrelevant - it's still an abuse of trust. Like I say, I can see a correlation with more invasive methods of finding other ways to contact me that I h…
user+detail@domain.com user@domain.com The 'detail' is optional, and doesn't infer any privacy. It's kind of like if you get mail delivered to: nprateem, office 2, university of ycombinator and instead they only store: nprateem, university of ycombinator Odds are, mail will still be delivered to you, but it might not come to office 2, and might come to office 1 instead. It's not what you wanted, but there's absolutel…
If you decide you no longer want to receive email from user+detail@domain.com it's easy to set up a blacklist filter. If they circumvent that and email you at user@domain.com you've lost that alias and easy way of blacklisting them. And presumably if someone had wanted to be contacted at user@domain.com they would have provided that email in the first place. So I don't think your analogy holds.
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#489Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or they already rely on FB login and are now _obligated_ by Apple to implement this feature. I work for a company that has allowed people to create accounts with FB login (meaning we don’t have an internal password associated with them). This change would ostensibly require us to also allow Apple Sign In _even if we don’t want to_ just to continue to service existing users. There really isn’t much choice here for us.…
As someone who also run a service where the only login option is using Facebook, I'm curious about how you regard the negative press regarding Facebook, the recommendations to leave Facebook, and the many users who is sceptic to or has already left Facebook. Do you have any plans to adopt any other login provider? I would really like to, but other than email/password, I'm not really sure what would be a good alternat…
We let people create a username/password but can also use FB if they prefer. Turns out having their email is nice; we need to send them notices and reminders from time-to-time.
I’m not a FB fan. I post on social media maybe twice a year. As an advertiser I don’t trust the numbers they report. None of my criticisms of Apple in this decision should be interpreted as pro-FB. I just have a very strong distaste for Apple deciding that they get to decide how we run our apps.
They have to mandate usage because it’s the only way devs will do it. And it seems like a fine enough product for Apple-only hardware. But when you get to supporting multiple connected devices it falls apart. Are they going to support this for PCs? What about on the Roku? How will anyone who uses Apple Sign In on the iPhone log in anywhere else?
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But this explicitly doesn’t work as an SSO. How can I tie that back to the actual email address they would have used to create an account using their FB / Google account? This sounds like a tremendous headache that I really don’t want to worry about. But Apple is looking to leverage their power in the app market to force me to implement a tool I may not be interested in as a merchant? I despise being strong armed. I…
You can’t, that’s the idea. What do you need it for?
Because thousands of people already have an account tied to a specific email and are going to click the Apple button and get really mad when we can’t log them in.