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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by aaronbrager »

ulfw wrote: post #433
dfabulich wrote: post #328

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Therefore, anyone offering Facebook/Google login will also have to accept Apple's anonymized forwarded email addresses, like fc452bd5ea@privaterelay.appleid.com.

How will this work if I use non-Apple products (and GOD BEWARE !) move from say an iPhone to an Android or an overpriced Macbook to a PC? Once I chose to use Apple-Sign In will I be locked into the ecosystem? Will there be 'Apple-Sign In' for Android?

It’s a standard SSO flow with JWT token and a REST API. Any website or Android app can add it.

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Post by Mindwipe »

nihonde wrote: post #365
EGreg wrote: post #362

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Yes it is anticompetitive. It is using Apple’s monopoly as gatekeeper of their app store. Apple would have long ago been cited for Antitrust if Android hadn’t had most of the market. I personally think that the definition of a trust is too narrow — one member of an oligopoly abusing its position as a platform provider and strongarming people is also pretty bad. https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/6/3/18650861/…

That’s not how antitrust law works. It’s not a test of whether a company exerts too much control over its own customers. It’s a test of whether customers have some alternatives and a real opportunity to vote with their dollars.

That's how American anti-trust law works.

It's not entirely how European anti-trust law works.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by saagarjha »

r3bl wrote: post #455
applecrazy wrote: post #394

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> Another phone goes to landfill That's disingenuous. Apple has a recycling program, where they take apart every component to be reused or recycled into new materials.[1] [1]: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/04/apple-adds-earth-day-...

Has a recycling program =/= everyone who ever purchased an iPhone is using that recycling program. 7.8 million "Apple devices"[0] in 2018 is a lot, but an average iPhone is far more likely to end up on a landfill. If it were easy to extract the battery, that wouldn't be such a problem. [0] They group them all together and I can't find any other metric: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/04/apple-expands-global-...

Yes, but phones that Apple swaps out generally do get recycled.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by Mindwipe »

nihonde wrote: post #359
sb8244 wrote: post #344

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Is it problematic if Apple says "you must include us if you include anyone else?" That seems anti-competitive to me.

That’s competing. Fair play unless you’re the dominant player in the relevant market.

"Dominant player" isn't especially relevant in European market law. Essentially the test is that you are of sufficient import to materially affect pricing in that market, which Apple definitely is.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by nihonde »

summerlight wrote: post #405
nihonde wrote: post #400

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You can’t define Apple’s market as iOS customers unless there are no alternatives to iOS, which there most certainly are.

I already have explained; there's no alternative to iOS for apple mobile devices unless you're willing to pay more than $500 for an equivalent level of android device. If Apple allows Android to be installed to Apple devices, then things can be different though.

Are you really going to persist in claiming that Apple has a monopoly on its own products? If so, your grasp of competition rules is fatally flawed.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by saagarjha »

mindgam3 wrote: post #233
MRD85 wrote: post #218

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I've been anti-Apple since I was a high school kid in the 90's. Those big colourful Mac's looked dumb. They're close to winning me over and I'm probably buying a new laptop within 12 months

I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

I have a Early 2015 MacBook Pro. I would not recommend it as a new laptop unless you're getting a significant discount on it, since it's starting to get old.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

omeid2 wrote: post #412
haswell wrote: post #330

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I'm really curious to see if this impacts enterprise apps that are configured by an administrator to use an internal SSO provider, or if this only applies to apps that allow users to sign up. For example, Slack can be (and is often) configured to use Okta or some other SSO provider. Does the Slack app have to implement some kind of support for Apple Sign In when such use cases are involved?

Apple have always had excellent Enterprise support on iOS, including "private apps" and what not. There is no reason to believe the same exception wouldn't be extended to Enterprise Devices and Apps.

> Apple have always had excellent Enterprise support on iOS

Not for the first half of the iPhone’s life, I’d say.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by addicted »

jkirsteins wrote: post #453
danielscrubs wrote: post #437

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EU is not picking on FB and Google specifically. This mindset is toxic. They are picking on all monopolies for European customers and have been for a long time. Basically we believe the market is not healthy if there isn’t any competition.

This is a bit rose tinted outlook. GDPR does not increase competition, the amount of regulation in EU and worker protections in place raise barriers for new competitors. France has laws that prohibit new movies from being put on Netflix in order to support local distributors etc. Not saying what the EU does is goos or bad, but painting it as pro free market competition seems unfounded.

GDPR isn’t about addressing monopolies. It’s about addressing privacy and data ownership.

Every tech related legislation doesn’t and shouldn’t need to so,be every tech related problem. The EU has other, non GDPR related, mechanisms to handle monopoly issues.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by addicted »

LunaSea wrote: post #467
tinus_hn wrote: post #451

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You can’t, that’s the idea. What do you need it for?

Sending invoices, GDPR exports, validating that a user contacting you is a certain account, etc.

Stuff sent to the fake email address will be forwarded to the user’s real email address, from what I understand. So you will still be able to communicate with them.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by dhruvarora013 »

joshcain wrote: post #388
minhazm wrote: post #239

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I have the previous generation hardware design as my personal laptop and a late-2019 macbook pro for work and I really don't hate the new one. I know some people have had some issues with keys getting stuck and what not, but I've actually had a pretty good experience with mine. I touch-type and I can type just fine on the newer keyboards. I would have liked to have a physical escape key, but besides that it's fine. I…

Same, I own a 2014 15" and have a 2018 15" from work. I haven't had any keys break on the 2018 (yet...) and actually prefer the key travel on it to the 2014. The smaller size is an improvement and the dongle situation isn't a problem for my use cases. Not a fan of the keyboard layout and TouchBar, though. If Apple let me spec a physical ESC key, inverted-T arrow keys, and native 1920x1200 point screen size @2x on the…

Ditto situation here. My work MacBook has been working great as well - the inability to charge my iPhone without a dongle has been frustrating but hopefully Apple switches out of lightning soon.

As for the ESC key, I rebound my Caps Lock key to Esc & Ctrl. Works great!

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