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Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by bscphil »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #129
jiveturkey wrote: post #122

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the super annoying "can i help you?" popup after 10s is revolting. i closed the tab immediately without learning more. it's cheesy, pushy, and seems antithetical to a service that offers privacy. i recommend you turn that thing off.

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll try to tone that thing down a bit. The thing is, some people LOVE the chat widget. Especially for those users who don’t want reveal their real email address but have a quick question. I’ve had at least 3x more chats on there than support emails.

Maybe just have a chat button or a link to the chat on your support page? I'm in the strange position of both liking the chat approach (I've used it on Dell's site, probably others), and also very much disliking chat popups. It feels like it's really there so that someone can convince you to buy something. It's even worse when there's a fake initial message - "Hi there, I'm Jen. Can I help you?" - it seems especially imposing.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by bscphil »

hprotagonist wrote: post #60
snarf21 wrote: post #55

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I agree that it is great. I'm not sure how we convince people to not signup on sites that don't offer this SSO option. I've always struggled with the question of 'How do we convince people to care about privacy when they post their location and meal to a public social media every hour?'.

My rule, and it is a semi-idiotic one, is "i don't impulse buy from independent merchant websites that don't support apple pay at checkout". I usually email them after, too. "I actually clicked through your instagram ad, looked at some clothes that looked nice, and didn't buy anything because I was on my phone and didn't want to make a new account and add credentials to my password manager. Have you considered adding…

I think it's not an idiotic idea, it's just that your idea of what counts as third-party payment support is a single smaller payment provider located mainly in the United States. I follow a similar policy, but in my case the third-party payment services are Paypal, Stripe, and Coinbase, all of which are reliable and don't require me to give financial data to the seller. Paypal seems to be near-universally supported on small ecommerce sites.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by astrange »

mystcb wrote: post #174
dyarosla wrote: post #19

Can’t services just disallow/block this address? Fun thing is, Apple themselves block name+addon@gmail.com addresses when using their dev console. You can bet that some companies will disallow Apple’s signature private passwords similarly if they can, in the name of ‘security’ or what have you. Or am I being too cynical? Feel free to CMV. EDIT: best response addressing this seems to be ‘The addresses are only generat…

Is that block a recent thing? It might be different as for my on GSuite account I can add the name+addon@mydomain.com - it might just be a difference between the "public" Gmail system vs the Gsuite Gmail system. In which case, my question is completely invalid and feel free to ignore ;) Note: This comes from my own developer account having 3 name+addon@ accounts live, and working with things like ApplePay etc for tes…

My Apple ID is email+something@gmail.com and it works.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by bscphil »

basch wrote: post #258
damnyou wrote: post #244

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Sorry how can I get iMessage on my Android phone? Sensible people do not deliberately handcuff themselves to trillion dollar megacorps and then throw away the key.

Yes they do https://bgr.com/2019/05/31/iphone-11-rumors-leaks-vs-android... AND https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-use-teens-2018/ >He works in IT at an unnamed company, and his team noticed something crazy: of the 500 employees at the company, only 8 of them chose to use an Android phone. Everyone else — all 492 of them — chose an iPhone over Android phones. It was because they didn’t want to be “green bubb…

>Sensible people do not deliberately handcuff themselves to trillion dollar megacorps and then throw away the key.

>Yes they do

>It was because they didn’t want to be “green bubbles,” a reference to the fact that iMessage chats in the iPhone’s Messages app use blue bubbles while SMS chats are displayed with green bubbles

Sorry, it seems to me like the story you're relating supports the point of the post you disagree with. Surely "sensible" people don't choose a phone on the basis of what color their messages appear as on other people's phones.

(I think there are sensible reasons to choose either platform. But the reason you're talking about here certainly isn't.)

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by DuskStar »

jdminhbg wrote: post #284
DuskStar wrote: post #86

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Sure, it might be the highest % among iPhone holders - but for a website, what portion of your users are going to be iPhone holders, and what portion of the Windows/Android crowd have Apple accounts?

You don't have to implement it to the exclusion of other methods. There are plenty of merchants on the web with Apple Pay and also Paypal, straight up credit card numbers, etc.

Of course you don't have to implement it to the exclusion of all others! But let's suppose that, say, 65% of users have a Google account, 75% have a Facebook account, and 40% have an Apple account - and the circles overlap such that adding Apple adds 10% to the total coverage. Now, if everyone who has an Apple account prefers it, and users with an Apple login yield 30% less revenue... gaining that extra 10% of users costs you revenue, because for every user you gained at 70%, three existing users cut their revenue by 30%.

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Post by Karunamon »

rootusrootus wrote: post #312
throwayEngineer wrote: post #132

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For me, Apple. Google isn't outwardly evil. Apple being anti consumer and anti developer really show you who Apple works for.

Google, the company who makes Chrome? The Chrome that will soon prevent me from using an ad blocker?

Can we stop being hyperbolic please? If not blocking ads in a very specific way is what it takes to be counted as "evil", that word has officially lost all meaning.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by joshcain »

minhazm wrote: post #239
mindgam3 wrote: post #233

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I highly recommend buying a 2015 Macbook Pro, if you can find someone willing to part with theirs. Apple laptop hardware started going off the rails after they shipped that one with touch bar + keyboard shenanigans.

I have the previous generation hardware design as my personal laptop and a late-2019 macbook pro for work and I really don't hate the new one. I know some people have had some issues with keys getting stuck and what not, but I've actually had a pretty good experience with mine. I touch-type and I can type just fine on the newer keyboards. I would have liked to have a physical escape key, but besides that it's fine. I…

Same, I own a 2014 15" and have a 2018 15" from work. I haven't had any keys break on the 2018 (yet...) and actually prefer the key travel on it to the 2014. The smaller size is an improvement and the dongle situation isn't a problem for my use cases. Not a fan of the keyboard layout and TouchBar, though.

If Apple let me spec a physical ESC key, inverted-T arrow keys, and native 1920x1200 point screen size @2x on the existing form factor I'd be VERY happy. Assuming, of course, the keyboard is actually reliable.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by timdorr »

polutropos wrote: post #308

According to the App Store review guidelines update posted today, Sign In with Apple will be required for any iOS app that implements a single-sign in button. "Sign In with Apple will be available for beta testing this summer. It will be required as an option for users in apps that support third-party sign-in when it is commercially available later this year." https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=06032019j

How will this work for apps that depend on the third party for more than just identity? For instance, does an app built on Spotify's API have to include a Sign in with Apple option? Or something like CI2Go, which is an app for CircleCI, which only offers log in via GitHub or Bitbucket.

I have to assume there will be exceptions.

Re: Apple Sign In

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Post by eitland »

heinrich5991 wrote: post #199
dpq wrote: post #171

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Plain wrong. It's not end-to-end encrypted by default, that's true. But all chats are encrypted with key portions distributed between different jurisdictions in case some country gets funny ideas. Chat archives are stored encrypted, not in plain text. Please cite your sources if you claim otherwise.

The Telegram service has the capability to get the plain text of your chats, without any interaction with you. I think that's what the parent wanted to say. I think saying "chats are stored in plain text" is a reasonable way to convey that message and I think "plain wrong" is an overstatement.

> think saying "chats are stored in plain text" is a reasonable way to convey that message

If I keep your messages encrypted in my database and your keys on another unonnected database in another building, would it then be fair to say that I store your messages in plaintext?

No. They are encrypted. It is a matter of fact.

The word you are looking for is "not E2E encrypted" which can be a problem, but a different and smaller problem.

> and I think "plain wrong" is an overstatement.

No. It is a statement of a fact.

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