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I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by Ace_Archer »

bscphil wrote: post #597
ghostly_s wrote: post #293

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Kodi's been around for like 15 years now so if you're hoping for it to become something else, I would stop holding your breath. I'm not thrilled that it's non-free nor about some of the changes they're making, but I've found Plex to be pretty pleasant to set up.

> I'm not thrilled that it's non-free Could you explain what you mean by that? Kodi seems to be GPL 2 licensed: https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/blob/master/LICENSE.md

I think he was referring to Plex being non-free

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Post by megablast »

samstave wrote: post #419
djsumdog wrote: post #408

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It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. Are you now breaking copyright? Because you're rendering the data differently than the W3C standard or blocking certain elements? I realize this is specifically about DRM c…

This is what pisses me off aboit ads and data consumption pay rates: if i am paying for “1GB” of data, then i should have full control over how that data gets consumed by the content i am accessing over that paid pipe. Period.

No, you don't suddenly own that film you are streaming. What a ridiculous idea.

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Post by dd36 »

chadlavi wrote: post #567
dd36 wrote: post #519

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I don’t disagree. We need to get money out of politics. It’s been done before. It can be done again.

> It's been done before. When was that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_reform_in_the...

Some of it has been overturned recently but limits have existed for periods of time.

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Post by Rapzid »

Mindwipe wrote: post #539
Rapzid wrote: post #514

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Agreed; most of the blame is on those third party sites. Further, Google's own browser, Chrome, will not stream above 720p Netflix(and maybe Amazon now). So at most Google is a lesser DRM god.

Chrome receives 1080p content on ChromeOS. The issue is more complex than that, and generally relates to some hardware APIs for securing the video path not being available to Win32 applications in Windows.

Chrome on Windows and OSX will not stream 1080p Netflix. You have to use IE or Safari.

It at least used to stream 1080p for Amazon, and it may for CBS but I'm not 100%.

It honestly seems like a decision made by the streaming providers.

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Post by molszanski »

antoinevg wrote: post #526
profmonocle wrote: post #521

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The saddest part is it doesn't even seem to accomplish anything. What would-be pirates are actually being foiled by this? Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime use EME, but all their exclusive content is still readily available on torrent sites. Does it raise the difficulty bar? It's hard to imagine anyone who knows how to rip video from their browser doesn't know how to torrent something.

DRM technologies are often sold to the public & content providers as an anti-piracy measure but that has never been the intent. It's _always_ been about control on the creation and manufacture of playback platforms and/or devices.

Yes! DRM is not about piracy, it is about CONTROLLING HOW YOU WATCH. Exclusive deals, upsells, ads and devices.

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Post by alanlamm »

goldenkey wrote: post #425
dd36 wrote: post #392

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The government is propping up the companies because that's what the companies made happen. Your framing suggests that government did this on its own. It did not. The outsized ability of companies to influence the government is the core problem that must first be solved. It is the root of most people's gripes with the government.

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why was this flagged? I'm no fan of communism, but it appears to be a valid response to the parent.

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Post by chongli »

dd36 wrote: post #603
chadlavi wrote: post #567

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> It's been done before. When was that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_reform_in_the... Some of it has been overturned recently but limits have existed for periods of time.

I don't want to downplay the importance of campaign finance reform but that's just a drop in the bucket. Look at all the wealthy donors that endow the Ivy League. Look at all the charity speaking engagements, yacht clubs, Davos junkets, private island parties.

Meanwhile, mainstream television is waning in influence for political advertising. Now it's all about Facebook. Think of the micro-targeting turnout power they have. It's obscene!

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Post by bscphil »

microcolonel wrote: post #184
jerf wrote: post #160

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"when Netflix came begging for a solution to their DRM conundrum" Does Netflix DRM even "work"? I've never personally seriously looked around for how to break it, but I note there are still plenty of people who seem to manage to review Netflix-based shows on YouTube with video clips of sufficient quality [1], and at least some of the reviewers in question I am fairly confident aren't getting any sort of privileged ba…

HDCP is broken, so people just get their captures from there I think. The Widevine stuff is also clearly not as trusted by publishers, which is why they only publish 720p streams on it IIRC. I think this is because it gets less help from the platform to prevent copying the frames.

No, this used to be the case, but isn't any more. Captures using lossless capture cards are called Webrips and generally disliked because they have to be reencoded (losing quality) and can only be ripped in realtime. For a long time now the better p2p groups (and even some scene) have figured out how to extract the encryption keys directly from the EME modules. So most of the Netflix rips you find on torrents these days are actually byte-for-byte copies of what you would view on Netflix.

Actually they should be byte-for-byte copies, but generally aren't, since Netflix makes you jump through half a dozen hoops to get the highest quality streams, so pirated copies are actually much better quality than what you can get on Netflix.

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Post by 5ersi »

molszanski wrote: post #605
antoinevg wrote: post #526

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DRM technologies are often sold to the public & content providers as an anti-piracy measure but that has never been the intent. It's _always_ been about control on the creation and manufacture of playback platforms and/or devices.

Yes! DRM is not about piracy, it is about CONTROLLING HOW YOU WATCH. Exclusive deals, upsells, ads and devices.

You don't need DRM for that. That is achieved by contracts.

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Post by rakoo »

5ersi wrote: post #609
molszanski wrote: post #605

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Yes! DRM is not about piracy, it is about CONTROLLING HOW YOU WATCH. Exclusive deals, upsells, ads and devices.

You don't need DRM for that. That is achieved by contracts.

Contracts can't be enforced just because you want to, DRM gives you the means to do it.
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