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I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by Cyph0n »

simias wrote: post #404
Cyph0n wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For live events (especially sporting events) of course that's enough to make pirating impractical, but for the new episode of Game of Thrones it's really not much. I think you underestimate how many people prefer to watch the latest episode as it airs. > not due to the time required for pirates to break the DRM Even if the DRM is already broken, you can't just ignore the initial time spent to break it. > until it r…

>I think you underestimate how many people prefer to watch the latest episode as it airs. I don't, but even without any DRM you still have the delay between the moment the ripper manages to get the file and the moment it's available for download. DRM doesn't really change anything here. It's not like for games where DRM can delay the release of cracked version by days or even sometimes weeks. >Even if the DRM is alre…

> I don't, but even without any DRM you still have the delay between the moment the ripper manages to get the file and the moment it's available for download.

You're missing the streaming option. But alas, watermarking + ContentID + DRM have essentially conquered that realm. Acestream and IPTV are two surviving options, but the barrier to entry is not low for these.

> For movies and TV shows I think I can. It's just so full of holes and broken implementations that it's usually trivial to crack.

I don't know enough about current media DRM solutions to comment here. What I do know is that will likely change once TEEs/enclaves become more widespread on consumer devices.

> If people don't pirate because they don't know how why would they start ripping Netflix streams?

"Right-click > Download" versus, at the very least:

1. Finding a reliable torrent tracker

2. Downloading and installing a torrent client (viruses galore!)

3. Finding a torrent with enough seeders

4. Figuring out which version of the movie/show to download (what's a "nuke"? what's up with the quality (cam)? why is this movie split into 37 .rar files? where are the subtitles? why is the audio out of sync? etc. etc.)

You and I have already gone through all of this the hard way, but it's important to realize that it's not intuitive at all.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by hluska »

yellowapple wrote: post #343
hluska wrote: post #328

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I have a few points: 1. Why do you have to be so rude? Maybe this isn’t intentional, but your words are mocking and insulting. Do you actually think you could change someone’s mind spouting off like that? If so, you don’t understand humans. If not, that comment was a giant waste of time. 2. If the way you spoke to this person represents how you wish to conduct yourself, perhaps it would be wise to remove the ‘we’re h…

That comment didn't really read as any more rude than your own, IMO. Maybe you're just responding to rudeness with rudeness, though, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there.

Yeah, you’re right, I wasn’t my usual self. I’d edit it to soften my words, but then your comment will lose its value and I’d rather not do that to you.

If I could point out one thing that separates our accounts, I don’t use this account to recruit or advertise. I have an email address in my profile because I mostly like talking to interesting people about interesting things. That’s not an excuse for my reply - my reply was complete bullshit. But, my reply might have been a little closer to my usual self if I used this account for something else.

Thanks for your comment. You’re right about me. I was wrong.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by Zak »

tptacek wrote: post #379
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #157

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You've missed the joke. In the DRM case the honest people are the ones who should be allowed in, but the DRM only allows the pirates in.

No, I think you’ve missed my point. A technology that prevents generally honest people from slipping casually into dishonesty sounds valuable. Battling people who are determined to be dishonest sounds much less valuable.

I suppose in the case of Netflix and the like, it stops me from getting some lossless downloader browser extension that would surely exist but for the DRM and... what? Getting stuff to watch after I let the subscription lapse? Giving copies to my friends?

The former is about the same effort as torrenting and about as obviously dishonest. The latter is mostly possible using Netflix as intended as long as I don't mind sharing my password with them.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by toyg »

anonymousab wrote: post #202
toyg wrote: post #176

(Burning some karma...) So he built an app that is a thin layer over someone else’s app, to play someone else’s content, and he’s upset he cannot get for free the nice things someone else paid for (in development time). My heart bleeds.

I see nothing indicating that he wouldn't opt to write a compliant DRM plugin at his own cost, or pay for the license or plugin if it were required.

He said the browser cannot be completed because Google won't allow their stuff to be used in an OSS project. It's clear he never countenanced the possibility that * gasp * somebody could deny him access to their software. He might have offered to pay, but the substance is basically the same: he assumed he could get access to somebody else's stuff, when there was no such guarantee (if anything, Google carefully insulating it from Chromium should have been a big hint of things to come).

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by drewmol »

kelnos wrote: post #401
Natanael_L wrote: post #241

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A little bit of A and all of B/C/D. Not all of HDMI is encrypted, but for the part that is the protocol is known, but you also need the keys which are meant to be stored in secure hardware and difficult to extract. Also, old keys are frequently phased out, with new media requiring newer keys for playback.

How does that work? If I have an old player that is perfectly technically capable of playing new media, will it fail to play requires new keys? If so, that's atrocious, and I'm glad I jumped off the physical media train post-DVD.

>If I have an old player that is perfectly technically capable of playing new media, will it fail to play requires new keys?

Yes. It will require a soft/firmware update, which won't be available if the device has widely known vulnerabilities which cannot be software patched that would allow for key extraction. HDPC is not limited to physical sources.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by tux1968 »

djsumdog wrote: post #408
kwindla wrote: post #256

Let's add the US Congress and the EU to the long list of parties to blame for the DRM situation. "Reverse engineering" software for the purposes of "circumventing" copyright is illegal. "Circumventing" is much more broadly defined than it should be. It's not just illegal to redistribute copyrighted material. That's the point of copyright and has been the case for a long time. It's also illegal to watch/consume conten…

It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. Are you now breaking copyright? Because you're rendering the data differently than the W3C standard or blocking certain elements? I realize this is specifically about DRM c…

Pretty soon web traffic will be decrypted and rendered via site specific web assembly blobs that will do everything in their power to defeat custom rendering. The modern web has just begun, and the powers that be are still grappling with its control. So we're still living in a comparative wild-west, but you can see the writing on the wall in every direction you look online right now.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by samstave »

djsumdog wrote: post #408
kwindla wrote: post #256

Let's add the US Congress and the EU to the long list of parties to blame for the DRM situation. "Reverse engineering" software for the purposes of "circumventing" copyright is illegal. "Circumventing" is much more broadly defined than it should be. It's not just illegal to redistribute copyrighted material. That's the point of copyright and has been the case for a long time. It's also illegal to watch/consume conten…

It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. Are you now breaking copyright? Because you're rendering the data differently than the W3C standard or blocking certain elements? I realize this is specifically about DRM c…

This is what pisses me off aboit ads and data consumption pay rates: if i am paying for “1GB” of data, then i should have full control over how that data gets consumed by the content i am accessing over that paid pipe. Period.

Re: I tried creating a web browser, and Google blocked me

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Post by samstave »

tux1968 wrote: post #418
djsumdog wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a dangerous precedent. Think about adblock. You're just choosing to render the data websites give to you differently. What if you design a web browser that just ignores most blobs of CSS/Javascript and renders content in a very different way. Are you now breaking copyright? Because you're rendering the data differently than the W3C standard or blocking certain elements? I realize this is specifically about DRM c…

Pretty soon web traffic will be decrypted and rendered via site specific web assembly blobs that will do everything in their power to defeat custom rendering. The modern web has just begun, and the powers that be are still grappling with its control. So we're still living in a comparative wild-west, but you can see the writing on the wall in every direction you look online right now.

We ahould be doing exactly this in opposite:

Anti ad exit node proxies.

Basically an ecryoted proxy connection to a powerful ad stripping instance that will randomize and pipe all that shit to dev null, and reply to trackers with addesses of their competing ad systems.

So that every ad for “microsoft” appears as though its being used by apple users...

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