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USA is heading down this road, too. 21 states will suspend your driver's license if you fall behind on student debt. This is ass backwards and destructive thinking. I am certain this is just the start of greater restrictions on the unfortunate.
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That's certainly not the first remedy that the court has taken. But say, if he hadn't been sent to prison, would he have paid child support then? We all don't know, but I strongly suspect no, and I strongly suspect the court has more than just my suspicions and calibrated its reaction accordingly.
> But say, if he hadn't been sent to prison, would he have paid child support then? The amount could have been ordered to be taken from his bank account, or confiscated from his salary directly from his employer or payment system, or taken from his property. There's absolutely nothing that necessitates that he is sent to prison if he merely can't pay. Only if he has money and doesn't pay (and that after accounting fo…
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Debt-related blacklists have been around before China's cabinet announced its intention to set up a nation-wide social credit system by 2020, but they ARE part of the social credit system. They're not exclusionary.
Just a remark from someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight: I found your dogmatic refutations above using all caps IS & ARE not particularly confidence inspiring nor terribly professional. Would not have made this remark about an ordinary commenter but I would expect better from an editor.
My refutations are based on clearly worded, non-ambiguous official documents characterizing court ordered blacklists as part of China's social credit system.
Here's the Chinese Supreme People's Court's website. http://shixin.court.gov.cn/index.html The statement front and center explains that the blacklists are promulgated "to promote the building of a social credit system."
For a more comprehensive look at what China's social credit system is and what its components are, I recommend this site: https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/social-credit-documents...
This is not the social credit system(edit based on OP comment: the dystopic social credit system that people are afraid of). This is just the list of discredited people("Shi Xin Zhe" list) published by China's court system. The whole list is published on http://zxgk.court.gov.cn/ You don't end up on the list for simply owing money (and it has nothing to do with social mis/conduct), you end up on the list for being su…
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Just a remark from someone who doesn't have a dog in this fight: I found your dogmatic refutations above using all caps IS & ARE not particularly confidence inspiring nor terribly professional. Would not have made this remark about an ordinary commenter but I would expect better from an editor.
Thanks for the feedback. I had intended the styling for emphasis, but I can imagine how it might not communicate well with some people. My refutations are based on clearly worded, non-ambiguous official documents characterizing court ordered blacklists as part of China's social credit system. Here's the Chinese Supreme People's Court's website. http://shixin.court.gov.cn/index.html The statement front and center expl…
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They are only the same in the broad sense of a social credit system, but the two credits are not the same. The social credit score system is an actual scoring system based on your overall social activities, including both financial and non-financial (e.g. the rightfully dreaded political/religious activity). No nobody knows exactly how it works and no one I know in China actually knows their score or anything even qu…
There is no nationwide social credit score system, and there's certainly no large-scale effort to score people based on their political and religious activity as part of China's social credit system. For more informed and nuanced understanding of what China's "social credit" is, I invite you to read Inkstone's earlier story: https://www.inkstonenews.com/society/chinas-social-credit-sy... And a podcast featuring a sch…
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> And what's going to happen to people who're entering a debt spiral, and are as a result further punished by the system? please stop spreading false info. people on that "laolai" list are those who intentionally refuse to pay their debt when they have the resources to do so. as also explicitly mentioned in your own article, they are punished to the extent of being inconvenience to do certain things, e.g. in your des…
The point is, as demonstrated in the article, high speed train isn’t always a luxury. And the punishment can have the opposite effect of making people to pay their debts.
With 1.4 billion people, surely you can dig up some "opposite effect", but again - how about look at the vast majority of those real victims here? When someone owes you money and the court order says they should pay you back, yet they choose to completely ignore that. It is just shockingly unbelievable that you choose to defend such offenders because they now can't ride high speed rail!
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what mentioned in your article has nothing to do with the social credit system. as already mentioned in your own article, it is all about the "laolai" list maintained by courts. This system has been there for over a decade or longer, way earlier the title-bait so called "social credit system". To give you a few examples - [1][2] are news articles discussing the exact same "laolai" list almost 10 years ago. [1] https:…
Debt-related blacklists have been around before China's cabinet announced its intention to set up a nation-wide social credit system by 2020, but they ARE part of the social credit system. They're not exclusionary.
Please stop calling what you do is journalism - it is nothing else but China bashing.
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And this has what, exactly, to do with my comment?
Wasn't your comment all about how driving is not that needed in Europe? Try getting to a different province/city etc, easily 30-100km away or more on "public transit". Even where the connections are there (and not like a couple of buses each day), it's neither fast nor pleasant enough to make driving "unneeded".
> Try getting to a different province/city etc, easily 30-100km away or more on "public transit".
I seriously considered commuting from Augsburg to Munich by train. Some of my co-workers do this. It's actually not that bad, train ride is about half an hour for 50km. Faster than driving, that's for sure.