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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by sisu2019 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #31

Chris2048 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps if you see EU parliament as "lobby-bought", you can accept there is good reason to oppose the EU, and stop calling brexiteers "nationalists".

Except local parliaments are also lobby-bought, so that doesn't solve the problem. Brexit is the politician's fallacy in action.

Local parliaments are closer and have more contact with their constituents so they'll automatically be more transparent and if my local government becomes unbearable I can move 200 KM and be free of it but if the EU becomes unbearable I have to move 2000+ KMs to a new continent.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by I_am_tiberius » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

rmoriz wrote: post #45

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

It's purely democratic. Median age of Germans is 48 and most old people just want cheap gas to heat their houses. They are still offline and don't care about the pyramid scheme /dba/ welfare state.

You mean "It's poorly democratic" and not "It's purely democratic", right?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by johannes1234321 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #68

antientropic wrote: post #53

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Democracy does not mean that you always get what you want. A majority in parliament and the council were in favor of this law, so you can't say it's undemocratic.

Democracy does not mean that the parliament and council is in favor, but that "the people" (translation of "demos") have "power" (translation of "kratos").

The power stems from the people, but in a representtve democracy we the people give the power to elected members of parliament, to represent us so that those parliamentarians can devote their time into the different issues and ensure broad support, contrary to more direct forms of governance where the general population can't invest much time into many debates and only engages where particular interests are touched.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Jommi » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #118

amelius wrote: post #78

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I want to see who voted yes, plus I want to read for each MEP a short statement explaining why they think it is a good idea. Better yet, a short video fragment with their statement, so the media can use that to make them look stupid when this legislation turns out to be a total failure.

You mean like this? [0] What does it matter. Too many people seem to be too dumb to even understand how silly those politicians are and how uninformed this decision was. And honestly, they don't look like they care either way. As long as netflix works and someone will sell them beer, why would they care about silly concepts like "democracy" or "freedom"? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6EQooiAjo

Why are you giving an extremist as an example representing the majority? Extremists don't decide the vote.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by TomMarius » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

rzwitserloot wrote: post #106

TomMarius wrote: post #68

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Democracy does not mean that the parliament and council is in favor, but that "the people" (translation of "demos") have "power" (translation of "kratos").

But it does. "Persona", etymologically, means 'mask' (Per = through, Sonare = Speak. As in, 'the thing you speak through', context: Plays and such, where you'd wear a mask). But I doubt you'd have any luck telling Merriam and Webster to update the definition of 'Persona' and mention only the mask thing. Words mean what the majority thinks they mean. Democracy as a word has been used as a word that means, mostly, that…

No, the representatives have a moral and lawful obligation to act in the interest of the people they represent; that is the principle that is holding representative democracy together. They did not do that this time and that is why it feels anti-democratic.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by kalleboo » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Even if there are people out there who deny climate change, geopolitics like this ought to convince everyone that distributed renewable energy is the way forward.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by haywirez » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

stiangrindvoll wrote: post #49

Could this directive speed the creation and adaptation of distributed technologies? If the topic of uploading to centralized cloud entities is just removed or ignored all together.

Sure, maybe now that there's not a lot of fish left in the oceans anyways, you could start convincing the almighty VCs to pay for an army of solar powered submarine drone servers that host IPFS nodes with Starlink satellite uplinks randomly scattered in international waters...good luck engineering the < 1 second time-to-play on those videos!

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by madjam002 » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

jackweirdy wrote: post #120

DanBC wrote: post #61

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What makes you think the UK is against stupid copyright measures? It's currently unlawful to format-shift (eg, rip CD to MP3) in England, so it's unlikely we'd have put up much argument against this.

That's not quite true: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058

That’s an outdated article, it has since been made illegal again.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Jommi » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #80

cbg0 wrote: post #19

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Which part of this was not democratic?

When you have massive parts of the population telling you they're not going to vote for you again if you support a piece of legislation, I'd say it's reasonable to say you are betraying your voters when you don't even reconsider your position.

Who have you seen not reconsider their position?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by fock » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

yulaow wrote: post #133

piokoch wrote: post #39

I am curious how this will affect Brexit. At some point it looked like public opinion in UK leaned against it. Right now it seems that EU is ready to pass any law which is pushed by a powerful lobby, even if this law is not the most well-thought idea like Article 11 and 13. This does not make EU better place to be in. In fact if Germany and France agree on something, this going to happen. I don't think that UK will a…

If I remember correctly UK was actually a strong proposer for this kind of legislation

And there were still British MEPs speaking for it, because it's the "future". I wonder why they can't even abstain or just stay away (like about 13% of the parliament did anyway...) after they engaged in Brexit for decisions which won't affect them (implementation of this directive is still about ~2 years off), but apparently paychecks are stronger than decency and common sense...