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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

rvense wrote: post #35
cbg0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of this was not democratic?

I think there is a feeling that this law was largely authored by/for narrow (commercial) interests in the entertainment industry, with little to no regard for its consequences for other parts of the web like open discussion forums and projects such as Wikipedia.

The tech industry are also major lobbyists, who often spend more on influencing politicians in their favor than the entertainment industry does. Commercial interests were on both sides, as much as they'd like you to believe it was a valiant fight of the little guys to save the Internet.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

To what degree has Britain's waning influence contributed to this? London was historically Europe's most competent commercially-minded city. I'm hopeful to see a counterbalance emerge in Frankfurt or Paris, but the writing on the wall indicates that's unlikely.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rogerthis »

geff82 wrote: post #4

I will now start my move out of the EU. I know how heavily restricted Internet feels like from my frequent Iran travels, and I will move out of any country that moves 2 inches in that direction, whatever the "good reason" might be. Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. And now they know how to get away with this, they will try it with something different again soon.

Lots of laws propagate to other places, as time passes. Brazil now has its own GDPR version, which is heavily inspired by EU's GDPR. Some laws are good to be the same, others are not (this is one of the reasons people has been supporting the most recent nationalist movements).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by sprash »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows.

The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake theater of the simulated democracy facade. Time to abolish the EU.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rmoriz »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

It's purely democratic. Median age of Germans is 48 and most old people just want cheap gas to heat their houses. They are still offline and don't care about the pyramid scheme /dba/ welfare state.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by calcifer »

toasterlovin wrote: post #33
pmlnr wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they voted for lies.

Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?

The lies told by the leave campaign has been extensively documented, including by courts. It's all a google search away.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by zirror »

paule89 wrote: post #20

Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.

The information is not yet published, however Julia Reda (https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110514210176462850) is working on it. Also, I would suggest voting on a party-bases i.e. voting for Pirates in your region.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

pmlnr wrote: post #27
LeonM wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... in case of Brexit it is because people voted to leave the EU.

No, they voted for lies.

Which is a case in point about the will of the people. Especially in very complicated situations, the people do not necessarily understand the impact of their choices, which is why they select representatives to act in their stead.

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Post by icebraining »

paule89 wrote: post #20

Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.

Someone in the thread linked to https://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-european-parliament-latest..., which will have the votes when they are available.
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