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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by vsl »

isostatic wrote: post #96
sprash wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…

European Commissioners are selected by natioanl governments. The president of the commission is voted for by the people (Juncker received the most votes in 2014) Does America vote for the secretary of transportation? In theory under say a westminster system MPs can take control. This is almost unprecedented until last night. Even when they do push non-controversial laws (Private Member bills, like the upskirting one…

> Does America vote for the secretary of transportation?

Does the secretary of transportation have the power to create laws?

Do you honestly believe that a functioning democracy doesn't require a) separation of power (not present in EU, where legislative and executive power is merged, and the parliament has only the power to (dis)approve) and b) direct accountability to the people of the most impactful, legislative, branch (not present in EU, where legislative branch is appointed by executive)?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by geff82 »

mweibel wrote: post #51
geff82 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland is the current plan. It will enable me to keep my business in Germany while not living in CrazyLand myself. I also considered USA and Canada, yet this would mean more problems (at least at the beginning). I am quite familiar with Switzerland and I appreciate their special political system a lot.

Please note that there might be similar things happening in Switzerland, too: https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/2019/03/23/demonstratio... (german only, sorry) It's all a bit different than in the EU because people may be able to vote against that at some point.. Whether that happens is another question entirely, though.

I totally did not see this. Thank you for the warning. As I am not totally into politics, I thought that the stupidity of the EU would not be repeated by Switzerland. Honestly, if they do this, I can stay where I am and take some time to investigate the situation in the US or Canada again. Of course, only it Switzerland, there can be referendums, while in the EU we totally do not have them.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by LifeLiverTransp »

piokoch wrote: post #60
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

Yup, for me EU democracy looks like Roman Republic democracy at the turn of eras. People living at the times of First Triumvirate ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate ) also thought that they live in democracy, they could vote and choose their representatives. Yet, as we know today, no decision could have been made without agreement of Julius Caesar, Gnaeus Magnus and Marcus Crassus.

The whole eu-institutions look like a benevolent dictator would like to have a democratic fassade. Lots of talk, and big halls to have a speakers corner in. And at the end of day, the important decisions are mady by people who are not actually part of the process.

Écrasez l’infâme

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by sprash »

isostatic wrote: post #96
sprash wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…

European Commissioners are selected by natioanl governments. The president of the commission is voted for by the people (Juncker received the most votes in 2014) Does America vote for the secretary of transportation? In theory under say a westminster system MPs can take control. This is almost unprecedented until last night. Even when they do push non-controversial laws (Private Member bills, like the upskirting one…

> Does America vote for the secretary of transportation?

The secretary of transportation has no legislative power as opposed to the EU Commission. This comparison is flawed.

> The president of the EU commission is effectively elected

It is the most intransparent and indirect way of determining a political position. As voter you have zero control over who is part of the Commission.

Also the EU constitution was put in place without the consent of the people of the member states. It was completely instigated by some elites hence inherently undemocratic.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by maxmunzel »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #85
lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

See #Controvery

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by icebraining »

Chris2048 wrote: post #83
icebraining wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except local parliaments are also lobby-bought, so that doesn't solve the problem. Brexit is the politician's fallacy in action.

Solve what problem? The problem of lobbies in general? No, it doesn't. The problem of EU lobbying, and inter-national divide-and-conquer? Yes, to some extent. Framing this as politician's fallacy, action for the sake of action, suggests that lobbying won't be worse in the EU than at a local level. In reality, it's easier to consolidate a smaller same-nation population, than multiple international ones. Just look at h…

That suggests further splitting up the UK would also improve the political situation; do you support such a proposal?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

amelius wrote: post #78
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

I want to see who voted yes, plus I want to read for each MEP a short statement explaining why they think it is a good idea. Better yet, a short video fragment with their statement, so the media can use that to make them look stupid when this legislation turns out to be a total failure.

You mean like this? [0] What does it matter. Too many people seem to be too dumb to even understand how silly those politicians are and how uninformed this decision was. And honestly, they don't look like they care either way. As long as netflix works and someone will sell them beer, why would they care about silly concepts like "democracy" or "freedom"?

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC6EQooiAjo

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mcv »

lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Trying to make a right out of two wrongs.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by jackweirdy »

DanBC wrote: post #61
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42

To what degree has Britain's waning influence contributed to this? London was historically Europe's most competent commercially-minded city. I'm hopeful to see a counterbalance emerge in Frankfurt or Paris, but the writing on the wall indicates that's unlikely.

What makes you think the UK is against stupid copyright measures? It's currently unlawful to format-shift (eg, rip CD to MP3) in England, so it's unlikely we'd have put up much argument against this.

That's not quite true: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29448058
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