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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by icebraining »

Chris2048 wrote: post #11
turbinerneiter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally nobody is doing that. Young EU supporters, like me, are the very people who were demonstrating against this. We are caught between reckless Brexiteering nationalists and a lobby-bought EU parliament.

Perhaps if you see EU parliament as "lobby-bought", you can accept there is good reason to oppose the EU, and stop calling brexiteers "nationalists".

Except local parliaments are also lobby-bought, so that doesn't solve the problem. Brexit is the politician's fallacy in action.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by riffraff »

pmlnr wrote: post #21
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

You're not alone. Hungarian elections, Brexit, this - it all feels like what people actually want, is ignored.

hungarians mostly voted for the current government.

I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side).

The opposition does not have any shared platform that the majority of the people would want, other than "not orban".

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by toasterlovin »

pmlnr wrote: post #27
LeonM wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well... in case of Brexit it is because people voted to leave the EU.

No, they voted for lies.

Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by rvense »

cbg0 wrote: post #19
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #16

Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.

Which part of this was not democratic?

I think there is a feeling that this law was largely authored by/for narrow (commercial) interests in the entertainment industry, with little to no regard for its consequences for other parts of the web like open discussion forums and projects such as Wikipedia.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by morsch »

geff82 wrote: post #22
stuaxo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you moving to ?

Switzerland is the current plan. It will enable me to keep my business in Germany while not living in CrazyLand myself. I also considered USA and Canada, yet this would mean more problems (at least at the beginning). I am quite familiar with Switzerland and I appreciate their special political system a lot.

That special political system is well on its way to restricting Internet access: https://steigerlegal.ch/2018/06/10/netzsperren-schweiz-zensu...

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by stefano »

riffraff wrote: post #32
pmlnr wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not alone. Hungarian elections, Brexit, this - it all feels like what people actually want, is ignored.

hungarians mostly voted for the current government. I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side). The opposition does not have any shared platform that the majority of the people would want, other than "not orban".

You can also say that EU citizens mostly voted for the current EU parliament.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by trkh0 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #10
trkh0 wrote: post #6

Wonder how everyone here who keep praising and extolling everything the EU does has to say about this. Edit: being downvoted to oblivion suggests either that they are in denial or there are many paid shills around or both, either way I rest my case.

Well, my position has been that platforms have been built on the knowledge that they're heavily used for content theft but that they're shielded from liability for it unfairly. (See Section 230 here in the US). And I think the tech industry is a pox on our news media and the money they need to do real investigative work. (See Apple taking like a solid 50% revenue on their news service.) I'm reasonably happy the EU is…

Funny how it's always the google haters: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ocdtrekkie

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by piokoch »

I am curious how this will affect Brexit. At some point it looked like public opinion in UK leaned against it. Right now it seems that EU is ready to pass any law which is pushed by a powerful lobby, even if this law is not the most well-thought idea like Article 11 and 13. This does not make EU better place to be in.

In fact if Germany and France agree on something, this going to happen. I don't think that UK will accept that, even if they risk "hard brexit" (which is largely demonized, I can't believe that any bigger EU economy would just give up trading with UK, especially when World economy will start slowing down and every eurocent will count).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by citeguised »

paule89 wrote: post #20

Are we able to see, who voted how? I would like to have a website showing you which persons not to vote, in your location for the upcoming eu votes in may.

Not yet but you can follow the twitter-account from the link. She will certainly be posting it once it's available.
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