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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by _iyig »

bodas wrote: post #359
_iyig wrote: post #306

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There are 13 Muslim-majority countries where apostasy is punishable by death, including Malaysia, Iran, Nigeria, the UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan only imposes the death sentence for blasphemy. The UK has many sharia courts which act as marriage and divorce authorities, where women often have far fewer rights than men. (This sounds hysterical and far-right-ish, but it’s true) I’ve heard horror stories of ex-…

1/4 of your fellow humans are Muslim, 1.8 billion people. You are going to need at least a few hundred million more examples.

Sure. Pew Research, a widely-respected nonpartisan fact tank, has conducted several studies in this area. They found that roughly 70% of Muslims worldwide support Sharia as the law of the land, coming out to just over 1.2 billion people.

I don't have to tell you that for women, gay people, and ex-Muslims, this isn't great news. Sometimes facts like these can be uncomfortable, but if we ignore them, things don't improve and real people suffer.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-...

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by ianai »

dnautics wrote: post #121
ianai wrote: post #70

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I don’t buy that zuvkerberg is a liberal. He’s made it clear he doesn’t respect anyone’s privacy nor honor their trust. He seems highly manipulative wrapped in whatever phrasing works at the moment.

Respecting personal privacy and honoring individual's trust is hardly a liberal policy plank. For better or worse, the platform is predicated on the state generally knowing better than the individual on social policy.

Not at all. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by fredthesmartdog »

kronin wrote: post #181
jmeyer2k wrote: post #132

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Gay/LGBTQ rights and tolerance in the workplace is way different than donating to Trump. I understand if you don't think a company should support a political party, but LGBTQ/gay tolerance meetings don't fall into that category. If you put this into the context of some other progressive social movement such as giving women equal opportunity to men, it makes more sense. A company would not be out of line giving semina…

"tolerance" swings both ways. Unless you choose to be intolerant. The majority of people who spout tolerance and acceptance at me are the least tolerant and acceptant of other beliefs.

I do choose to be intolerant of certain beliefs.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

ams6110 wrote: post #335
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #299

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Do you realize what you're saying here? "We abused that guy for years and he never complained or demanded better. Why can't we all be more like that?"

I didn't read the comment that way. I read it as life sucks for a lot of people at times. Some dwell on it and never get past it. Others find a way to move forward, to make their own lives better instead of demanding that someone else do it.

That may be a good prescription for dealing with tragedies personally, but if everyone did that then those doing the abusing would never suffer any consequences, and society would never change.

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Post by prewett »

wwweston wrote: post #142

A couple of thoughts: * As much as I enjoy forwarding and debating my own political ideas in settings where I think there's an opportunity, I've never considered work a primary venue for this, and the premise that political diversity should be a priority for a business is one that doesn't seem to have any kind of supporting argument. Companies exist to organize an economic activity. Other activity is incidental. Idea…

According to the article the problem is not that the owners are doing what they want like Rand espouses, but hypocrisy, namely that they claim to be tolerant and are in fact acting intolerantly: “We claim to welcome all perspectives, but are quick to attack — often in mobs — anyone who presents a view that appears to be in opposition to left-leaning ideology.” (But I'm guessing Mr. Amerige wouldn't be much happier if were authentic and open about not tolerating dissenting views, so you have a good point there.)

I don't see the need to debate political ideas at work, either, but if work claims to offer an all-ideas-welcome forum, then it should actually be that. My observation is that liberals tend to talk loudly about "tolerance" but are pretty intolerant of ideas they don't like. Not that conservatives are necessarily less intolerant, they just don't go around claiming to be tolerant. Authentic intolerance, if you will.

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

coliveira wrote: post #336
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #299

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Do you realize what you're saying here? "We abused that guy for years and he never complained or demanded better. Why can't we all be more like that?"

This is the whole mindset of people who want to maintain the status quo. "Just keep your mouth shut" is a mantra that only helps to maintain the oppression system.

Is the oppression system the bit that keeps the lights on? The alternative tends to be the system where everyone starves.

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Post by ur-whale »

_8j50 wrote: post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

a.k.a. : "dont defecate where you eat"

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Post by mmirate »

fake-name wrote: post #94
vimy wrote: post #72

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You equal criticising religion to white supremacy? That's really troubling.

Specifically singling out islam is very, very strongly correlated with it, so yes.

Actually, specifically singling out Islam is only logical because it is the largest group of people with whom these issues are associated.

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Post by mce1123 »

aluren wrote: post #170
_8j50 wrote: post #84

Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…

I don't mean any offense, but it has been my experience that people who can afford to "put politics aside", so to speak, are people from demographics who didn't have politics "happen" to them. When you are gay or trans and a significant chunk of people find your mere existence revolting, when you are black and a significant chunk of people believe you are innately less intelligent and more prone to violence, when you…

The politics that's happening to you, if you're in a western republic or democracy, is one that created and maintains unprecedented safety and freedom otherwise alien to human existence.

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Post by mmirate »

charlesism wrote: post #236
manfredo wrote: post #75

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This is exactly the kind of intolerance this memo is advocating against. If you genuinely would fire all the 45% of people that voted for Trump, anyone who disapproves of the rhetoric of BLM, or considers Islam to have a poor human rights record then I would suggest you take a look in mirror before trying to find intolerance in your employees. Easily the majority of the US population would hold at least one of those…

> Easily the majority of the US population > would hold at least one of those views. If the majority of the country holds a philosophy that favors the majority of the country, that doesn't automatically make it ethical. I won't insult you by bringing up obvious examples from American history. If you want to calibrate your moral compass, the right way to do it isn't always a show of hands.

> If the majority of the country holds a philosophy that favors the majority of the country, that doesn't automatically make it ethical.

Congratulations, you've discovered why democracy is stupid.

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