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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by goliatone »

Fnoord wrote: post #171
imglorp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's next? Opt-out phone-home, telemetry, crash reporting, quality analytics, whatever you call it. That's my prediction. My Synology personal file server started nagging about enabling telemetry and needing a privacy notice to store my files on my drive on my network. Screw that.

Docker already got (some) of that. They tell you at the end of the installation. You need to manually find it in the Settings and opt out of it. As for Synology, I did opt out of that as well. It'd be great if this crap was opt in... since the industry doesn't agree, I propose we make it law.

I thought in EU that was the case

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by zambal »

Myrmornis wrote: post #164
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Agreed. It is extraordinary that intelligent, honest, discourse is so rarely employed when companies explain things like this. Why MBAs, sales and business types find it so hard to understand how appalling intelligent people find this style of discourse baffles me. Surely many MBAs, sales and business types are intelligent and empathetic people?

To me this seems to be a 'when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail' type of issue, in the sense that they try to apply PR and marketing tactics from mass marketed consumer products to a niche product for professionals.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by alkonaut »

mevile wrote: post #39

It's in Docker's interest to capture as much value as they can from their products, their calculus is changing. It's their decision to make, however passing it off as in the best interest of users is a bit of a whopper and not the best way to communicate it. I don't think entitlement to other people's work is the best response though.

The outrage is 90% from the fact that they call it "improve the user experience going forward".

If they had just said "we need some leads/emails to monetize this thing a little more, hope you understand. Use a throwaway email or the well-hidden direct download if this change makes you uncomfortable", nearly no one would have complained.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by cverna »

ChristianGeek wrote: post #134
brightball wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this makes me feel better about focusing on Ansible Container instead of Docker. You can use it to create multiple different types of containers without being married to Docker itself.

Is this a viable alternative to Docker? I’m about to launch a fairly large new project and had planned on going with Docker but this definitely causes me concern.

A good alternative to Docker is podman the cli built on top of libpod (https://github.com/containers/libpod). It has the same api than docker but lets run build and run containers without the need to have root permission.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by pluma »

thayne wrote: post #112
danjoc wrote: post #77

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>Docker Hub is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Truth is, no one cares. GDPR is an overreach designed to shake down American mega-corps. Docker has no money so the EU isn't going to do anything to them. >I’d report them to the Information Commissioner‘s Office myself if I didn’t think they were about to fold anyway I'm sure they're inundated with complaints from unsuccessful companies trying to shoot down their…

> Truth is, no one cares. GDPR is an overreach designed to shake down American mega-corps And yet it hurts small startups that don't have the resources to become fully GDPR compliant more.

It hurts small startups trying to perpetuate the same blatant disregard for human rights as American startups have done in the past. It doesn't hurt small startups that are privacy-aware and treat their users with respect.

Not giving users a way to delete their accounts was never okay. Tracking user behavior without consent was never okay. Holding users' data hostage was never okay. Not giving people a way to correct the data you keep about them was never okay.

US startups have been playing on easy mode by getting to ignore human rights and just follow the local letter of the law even when going international.

If anything you'd think HN "classical liberals" would love this as it evens the playing field, allowing for fairer competition between already privacy-aware EU companies and the previously unfairly advantaged US companies entering the EU market. Of course this assumes you think privacy and data ownership should be protected as human rights in the first place.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by josteink »

sethhochberg wrote: post #165
bcheung wrote: post #113

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Agreed. Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away. They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc. Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download". While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it i…

I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

> If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately

Actually you have to click past a "please donate some money" nagging dialogue.

It may be a little annoying (at least if you download ISOs all the time), but it's obvious what they are asking for, not to mention why.

And it's definitely not dishonest, so it doesn't tarnish their reputation as a trust-worthy company.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sbr464 »

bcheung wrote: post #113
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Agreed. Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away. They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc. Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download". While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it i…

Does offering the source not qualify as offering something? What is the closed source company offering that you are ok with giving your email away?

Really an honest question. I find Docker useful, and was put back also by the email/ login request, but why are they getting so much hate, compared to every other company, just because of this?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by rwmj »

rattray wrote: post #141
dan_quixote wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).

Interesting, where can we learn more about this? (eg; cri-o, podman, I saw rkt mentioned elsewhere)

I've been reading Dan Walsh's blog about podman & cri-o:

https://medium.com/@rhatdan

(Disclaimer, I work in the same company, but not in the same department/group)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by ryanmcdonough »

sethhochberg wrote: post #165
bcheung wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away. They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc. Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download". While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it i…

I think Canonical does a pretty great job of this. If I download an Ubuntu Server ISO, I get my download immediately, but the page has a nice prompt to register for a whitepaper to get the most out of my new server product. If I download the Ubuntu Desktop ISO, I still get my download immediately, but additionally I see some nice prompts about donating to support their operations. Everything about both flows inspires…

Have you donated or signed up for those white papers so far? If so how many times/how much?
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