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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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I thought the same way until I worked with lots of types of people. The vast majority seem to much prefer BS, even blatant BS to honesty that is even the least bit blunt. I think part of it is that since everyone exaggerates, actual blunt truths are assumed to also be a positive spin, which would put their reality in the toilet.

Majority of people out there are complete idiots, Im not trying to be rude either. Very few people think for themselves.

Hard truth

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#103
post #48

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?

Docker isn't a service. It's an easily replaceable software that is dominant due to the network effect. All the hard work was done by the Linux kernel before Docker existed.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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post #43

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FWIW, as far as I know, Docker for Windows and Docker for Mac really are closed source freeware. My honest opinion is we should move away from it. As for what to move to... That's definitely an open question. Docker for Windows is definitely one of the best developer experiences I've had on Windows because they put actual engineering work into it. All the same, I still found it buggier and less supported than Docker…

Er, any links about the Kubernetes changes? They spent multiple releases adopting and moving to CRI. Meaning any CRI implementation can be used in his where docker(shim) was previously used. This includes -- containerd, crio, kata, pouch, gvisor, and at least three more whose names I forget. Hardcoding another container runtime would be disappointing to see and highly surprising. Also, since no one anywhere in this t…

Sorry, what I meant was that the default CRI implementation would be based on containerd. This is as I understood it as an outsider and may not be true.

edit: Here's an actual link. https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/05/24/kubernetes-containerd-...

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#106

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

For reference and so people can be outraged without RTFA, here was the original close comment:

-- joaofnfernandes (2 months ago)

"I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment."

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#107
post #69

Ubuntu for raspberry pi requires a ubuntu login continue installing it, after formatting and setting the network up. It won't let you boot into a working setup until you create account on their website. Kind of hard if you don't have access to any other device.

That's so dumb. How can this possibly be seen as a good idea?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#108

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The more hilarious part is the reaction from here. You can't be a successful startup if you don't have a list of your product's users.

>You can't be a successful startup if you don't have a list of your product's users. Id Software does not have a list of people who used Doom.

Yes, they do.

Literally. the first version required you to register by phone or mail in order to get the full game.

If you mean the most recent version... they know exactly which commercial retailers purchased the game, and in what quantities. They might not know exactly which consumer ended up with those games, but those consumers were not their customers, the retailers were.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

#109

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as soon as you see nonsense business speak like that you know things are going downhill. see also, netflix, and twitter lately. I really don't know why they bother uttering or writing those kinds of words. They contain no information, nobody is fooled by the lie. It is a waste of their time.

The world is full of people lacking the (to you and I) basic intelligence, education, and sophistication to smell bullshit. The minority that the rest of us represent are too much trouble to bother with anyhow, and our odds of convincing a large enough number of other people of our positions are low. Edit: I understand how what I said could come off as facile or elitist, but there is truth in it. The same empty promi…

An alternative explanation would be that there's more bullshit in our field, so we get more practice. ;)

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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post #80

It seems like Docker is in a really awkward place as a company. Their strategy was clearly to get everyone on the container hyper train then monetize by selling the production orchestration / runtime. But Kubernetes happened and GCP / AWS have rolled out competition in all the other supporting system needed; container registries, build pipelines, etc. What is the actual pitch for Docker EE now? Their marketing is pus…

The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).
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