Don't worry guys, I created a PR to fix it.
This is an open source project so I'm sure this will be priority one as soon as the Docker project admins get online (https://github.com/docker/docker.github.io/pull/7242)
Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#112Docker Hub[1] is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Wording on the pop-up: > We and our advertising partners use cookies on this site and around the web to improve your website experience and provide you with personalised advertising from this site and other advertisers in AdRoll's network. By clicking "allow" or navigating this site, you accept the placement and use of these cookies for these purposes. It’s not a…
>Docker Hub is also blatantly in breach of the GDPR. Truth is, no one cares. GDPR is an overreach designed to shake down American mega-corps. Docker has no money so the EU isn't going to do anything to them. >I’d report them to the Information Commissioner‘s Office myself if I didn’t think they were about to fold anyway I'm sure they're inundated with complaints from unsuccessful companies trying to shoot down their…
> Truth is, no one cares. GDPR is an overreach designed to shake down American mega-corps
And yet it hurts small startups that don't have the resources to become fully GDPR compliant more.
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#113Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.
Agreed.
Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away.
They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc.
Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download".
While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it is NOT fine for open source products. If they want to collect emails they need to offer something in addition. It doesn't even have to be that much. A free e-book on how to use Docker or something.
The download page could also have a "Please support us by ..." section.
There are so many better ways to go about this.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
as soon as you see nonsense business speak like that you know things are going downhill. see also, netflix, and twitter lately. I really don't know why they bother uttering or writing those kinds of words. They contain no information, nobody is fooled by the lie. It is a waste of their time.
I thought the same way until I worked with lots of types of people. The vast majority seem to much prefer BS, even blatant BS to honesty that is even the least bit blunt. I think part of it is that since everyone exaggerates, actual blunt truths are assumed to also be a positive spin, which would put their reality in the toilet.
I disagree -- it is a soporific effect, not a preference. You are essentially blaming the victim here, and that is complicit
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#115It seems like Docker is in a really awkward place as a company. Their strategy was clearly to get everyone on the container hyper train then monetize by selling the production orchestration / runtime. But Kubernetes happened and GCP / AWS have rolled out competition in all the other supporting system needed; container registries, build pipelines, etc. What is the actual pitch for Docker EE now? Their marketing is pus…
The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).
What about a docker-compose alternative?
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#116Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.
For reference and so people can be outraged without RTFA, here was the original close comment: -- joaofnfernandes (2 months ago) "I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward. As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment."
Has there ever been a change to "improve user experience" that has _actually_ improved user experience? (Looking at you, Google.)
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#117Docker is such a mess.
As a tool for building containers its cumbersome, has bizarre and frustrating limitations and has issues that haven’t been addressed in years. You can’t use semver for tags, it eats up all your disk space and you have to manually GC it, etc… Multi-build support is basically useless and invariably you end up writing convoluted bash scripts to get the thing to work.
Caching is terrible pretty much across the board. How many petabytes of data are wasted every day re-syncing apt-get?
As a runtime engine its basically dead for production use. If you ever try to use it you’ll quickly discover that it has tons of problems. It locks up, orphans processes, stops responding to commands, forgets about containers, etc. And its not safe to run arbitrary containers. You’d be surprised by how many companies using Kubernetes gave up using docker a long time ago.
Please save yourself a lot of heartache and just use containerd.
As a concept, containers never really lived up to their potential. "A Docker container image is a lightweight, standalone, executable package of software that includes everything needed to run an application." As long as that application runs in linux.
As a company Docker is a failure. All their cloud stuff is clunky, poorly thought out and at this point largely irrelevent. I'll be surprised if it will last 5 years. Kubernetes won. Those cute, cuddly characters and the Docker name are basically all they have going for them, and all these things, the Moby rename, the requiring login to download, etc... are the death throes of a dying company. Docker is the next jQuery.
People don't realize just how easy all this stuff will be to replace. Google already did it. Like 5 times. (gVisor, jib, kaniko, ...) It was probably some intern's side project.
Microsoft should just get it over with and acquire the company. It would be the perfect cherry on top to their Github cake.
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
The k8s community is moving full steam ahead toward replacing docker containers with OCI-compliant cri-o/podman. Docker had a good run with a great idea, but it doesn’t make sense to leave all of this vendor-agnostic tooling reliant on Docker (the company).
What about a docker-compose alternative?
https://github.com/kubernetes/kompose
or
or keep using docker's dev client, it can target a locally running k8s now.
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#119Oracle recently did this for the Oracle Client libraries too. Shame.
Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store
#120Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.
Does the internet always have to throw a fit every time a company tries to add a little monetization to what is an essentially free service?
Haha yes. The truth is that every critic of your service will do that if you monetize. It's definitely one key thing to take care of when you try to switch to generating money. You need to have a good story around how you're doing it.
The guys who act like "it's only about the lies" are usually not decision makers, but it's important to be able to have enough a story that the decision makers don't get their thoughts contaminated by the perennially negative.
I think Docker will be fine with what they're doing. This is a storm in a teacup. But they should've bundled it with other features like auto-updates or something.