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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Fnoord »

imglorp wrote: post #44
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

What's next? Opt-out phone-home, telemetry, crash reporting, quality analytics, whatever you call it. That's my prediction. My Synology personal file server started nagging about enabling telemetry and needing a privacy notice to store my files on my drive on my network. Screw that.

Docker already got (some) of that. They tell you at the end of the installation. You need to manually find it in the Settings and opt out of it.

As for Synology, I did opt out of that as well.

It'd be great if this crap was opt in... since the industry doesn't agree, I propose we make it law.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sethhochberg »

nikofeyn wrote: post #154
bcheung wrote: post #113

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Agreed. Being dishonest like this is one of the fastest way to lose customers. Please can spot it a mile away. They should make it optional. Have the email collection form prominently there and ask users if they want to sign up to receive the newsletter, free tutorial, free e-book, whitepapers, etc. Then also have a "No thanks, take me to the download". While email to download is fine in most marketing contexts, it i…

> If they want to collect emails they need to offer something in addition. whether i agree with the decision or not, i am confused by this sentiment. aren’t they offering docker, for free?

They're indeed giving away Docker for free, but part of the reason I hypothetically want Docker in the first place is that I trust the people distributing it to not do anything underhanded with their flagship tool's position as a product which runs thousands of other businesses' infrastructure.

There is a certain degree of trust involved in using a product like Docker since it is so critical to a businesses' operations, and I think a lot of people feel like using any kind of tracking (like mandatory registration to download) erodes that trust - we're forced to sit here and wonder what other restrictions might come in the future, or what other information they might start requiring for use of their product... and uncertainty never pairs well with infrastructure tooling that tends to be very important and very longlived within an organization.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by dang »

shoulderfake wrote: post #89
sopooneo wrote: post #73

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I thought the same way until I worked with lots of types of people. The vast majority seem to much prefer BS, even blatant BS to honesty that is even the least bit blunt. I think part of it is that since everyone exaggerates, actual blunt truths are assumed to also be a positive spin, which would put their reality in the toilet.

Majority of people out there are complete idiots, Im not trying to be rude either. Very few people think for themselves.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by thiagocsf »

knicholes wrote: post #19
fudoo wrote: post #13

I found the real problem with Docker to be that it downloads things from their repository. Just like Maven, it's a major pain point.

You'd be pleased to use docker-registry, then! We use Artifactory that runs its a docker-registry compatible something (maybe it's running docker-registry itself?) for our artifacts.

The free version of Artifactory doesn’t support Docker registries.

Nexus 3 OSS does.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by throwawaymath »

fpgaminer wrote: post #90
imgabe wrote: post #86

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And moreso, if you want to make money just charge money for something . Don't do scumbag stuff like collect emails to sell to marketers. Make something people are willing to pay for, and charge them money for it.

Doesn't Docker have Docker Enterprise or something like that that they charge money for? So the email harvesting is really just in addition to charging money.

The harvested emails are used (among other things) for lead generation for Docker Enterprise.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by a254613e »

tw04 wrote: post #170
drdeadringer wrote: post #131

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I use a Synology personal server, but an older one. I have been considering upgrading to a more modern version. Do you remember about when this nagging began? Was it related to a firmware upgrade or was it "right out of the box"?

It's literally a one time prompt. I think calling it nagging is a bit extreme.

At least for me the prompt isn't a one time thing, unless you consent to enabling telemetry. I get asked whether I want to enable it all the time when logging in.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by sandGorgon »

spullara wrote: post #128
MBCook wrote: post #46

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No kidding. “Improve the user experience“ is incredibly nebulous and non-obvious. IF there is actually a benefit to this why not just list it? We all know why. There isn’t a benefit to the end-user.

Docker Swarm logs to segment.io, not sure about the other products.

you can use logspout to send docker logs anywhere

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by hardwaresofton »

cdoxsey wrote: post #167
notamy wrote: post #132

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> You’d be surprised by how many companies using Kubernetes gave up using docker a long time ago. What are they using instead? cri-o? rkt?

At Datadog we are using containerd. We've heard of other companies using cri-o. There's also a lot of mixed deployments of container vs native out there. It seems Kubernetes is popular but not many companies with a large number of servers are willing to bet the farm on it, so they may only run a subset of their services with it (stateless, or test environments) You can use Docker, just be ready to account for the ins…

+1 for containerd (+ cri-containerd, which is included by default now), it's served really wonderfully (meaning I didn't have to touch it much) as the base for k8s machines I've boostrapped recently -- I don't even install Docker anymore (as in literally docker the daemon is not installed or running, just runc + containerd).

The replacement of docker is a good thing IMO (though probably not a good thing for Docker the company) -- it's one of the main benefits of the kubernetes hypetrain, the development of C*I (Container Interface) has been great for the ecosystem.

I personally find docker's CLI way more ergonomic however.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by karlshea »

ethbro wrote: post #106
djflutt3rshy wrote: post #42

Would it kill companies to be honest and upfront about these sorts of issues? I feel like "Hey, we're unable to pay our bills unless we can better monetize our product" comes across a lot more honest and trust-worthy than this "We're improving user experience! Trust us!" pride-and-accomplishment nonsense that everyone keeps regurgitating. We're not preschoolers, the Internet can spot marketing slogans a mile away.

For reference and so people can be outraged without RTFA, here was the original close comment: -- joaofnfernandes (2 months ago) "I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward. As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment."

but feel free to comment.

i.e. "We do not give one single fuck what you think about this decision, and will not be reading any of your replies."

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