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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. maybe it shouldn't even be a laptop

? Laptops are portable. If you want something portable, it's gotta be a laptop.

sure, it depends on your use case, but a small bluetooth keyboard with a phone mount is probably more portable... something a bit like this: http://www.tuemarket.com/img/iphone-bluetooth-keyboard.jpg, or if you just need processing power, it could be a back pack server, etc...

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I guess it dependsd what you are doing. I don't do C#, .net development /.net framework(WPF), game development, SQL-server, or things that are better on a native windows platform. So I don't really reap the benefits using a windows PC. Native folder navigation and terminal is much nicer on macOS. MacOS has better 3rd party programs for productivity in programming IMO. Iterm2 allows you to have multiple custom termina…

Have you considered virtualization? I tend to use MacOS merely as a hypervisor, where I can step into as many different OS environments as I wish. You mentioned how you like to use Windows; what about using it in a virtual machine?

I don't like using virtual machines, it just adds too much friction to me for getting things done. At least that was my experience on windows OS. I've tried a combination of docker, dockerhub, vagrant, and virtualbox. I'd rather just have a seamless development experience right at startup, macOS is really good at that.

I tend to shy away from tools whenever I can, because everything has a maintenance & learning cost associated with it. Also, because I tend to have a lot of things open at the same time, virtualization really slows me down whenever I have to jump into the virtualized OS's keyboard / mouse / etc.

Down the road I might start using docker images + docker hub if I feel that the benefits (isolating test environments, debugging issues cross platform, deploying) of using virtualization outweighs its cons (maintenance, setting up, memorizing new commands, constantly running commands, etc). As of now I don't have much of a use case for it though.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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The T2 chip also controls the secure boot functionality, I don't think that Apple would skip adding it in just because it doesn't have the touch bar. Here is a link from Apple that says all of their Macbook Pro models have T2 chips from 2018 onward. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862 But I still may be wrong though where did you read that the MBP without a touch bar doesn't have a T2 chip?

The FN ones haven't been refreshed, therefore they're MacBookPro14,1 (mid 2017). I can't find a link right now for a source but it was mentioned in various sources from teardowns to discussions about provisioned setups and Linux installs.

Found a link to a forum saying exactly what you said. Weird that they don't say anything about this computer. I wonder why they even sell it at all. I guess they still sell the MacBook Air which hasn't been refreshed in a while so that's just one of their business models, sell old tech at modern prices and spend nothing on advertising.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/future-13-macbook-pro-w...

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I'd be one of minority, I guess, but I don't mind the new macbook at all. It's a bit lighter and thinner, which is already a nice improvement for those who have to carry it around every day.

While using the 2015 model, I couldn't even imagine a laptop that would make it look and feel old-fashioned, but the 2017 one did it. After using it for a couple of weeks the 2015 mac feels bulky and its keyboard – kind of tight. The 2017 keyboard is so light that it takes just a little push by a finger to press, and I really feel that it allows me typing even faster.

I do agree that the keyboard is very easy to contaminate and a little crumb can make a key hardly usable, but it's easily fixed with a bottle of compressed air. Hopefully the measures Apple took in the latest revisions, utilising a kind of a rubber cushion for the keys, will improve the situation.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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The comments the user typed into the Problem Report screen are not constructive. I think that comments field would be better used for entering any possibly relevant information the user might be able to provide. For example: what was the computer, or the user, doing before the point of the panic. I'm not saying the user has a strict duty to enter information... just that it's a good idea to add some valuable informat…

I think the problem that most people have with Apple quality control is that the company has quite a lot of surplus cash and they don't appear to be using it to make their products better. If we could see that Apple recognized that a product had fundamental design problems and used their massive resources to correct it more people would be willing to give them a break.

Saying that "Apple is engaged in a huge ongoing long project to make their stuff better" doesn't really comfort me much. Especially as they just recently were dubbed the first Trillion dollar company. If some smaller systems manufacture (i.e. System76) had a problem with one of their designs and said that they were working to correct it, most people would give them to benefit of the doubt and cheer them on.

The other problem in my eyes is that Apple seems to be deaf to the users of it's product. I understand not listening to every single thing that the users complain about (8 cores vs 16 cores, etc.) but some things are fundamental. Things like making the MBP a desktop replacement, hence we really don't need it to be the thinnest & lightest laptop ever. We want a whole lot of things like a great keyboard and massive battery and if that makes the laptop thick and heavy then so be it.

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Problem is not that T2 chips are causing kernel panic - that stuff happens. Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place - another chip with its own OS running and handling the touch bar crap nobody cares about and many are annoyed by. Apple has gotten into NIH+Something fancy just to jack up the hype and prices too deep. I might be mistaken - but tell me if I am - how is…

> my X1 Carbon 6th gen probably not what you care about, but the MBC justifies its higher price by significantly higher screen quality ... and by the fact that MBPs (and Surface Pros I guess too now) are the only notebooks that manage to pull of the 'amazing screen usable outdoors' + 'battery life keeps being good even if your screen is at a higher brightness' combo... ALL other laptop manufacturers miss this. Imo it…

The MacBook Pro 15" does not have a 4K screen. Lenovo on the other hand do sell workstation-class laptops with 4K screens (3840 x 2160). The X1 Carbon is comparable in size to the 13" MacBook Pro and offers a similar 500 nits IPS panel.

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My 2012 Mac Pro (cheese grater) can’t run Mojave since the GPU doesn’t support Metal. There are aftermarket GPUs available, but it’s becoming an ongoing chore to keep the machine running the latest macOS features (needed new wifi card to support handoff and watch unlock etc). New wifi, SSD, usb3 etc are relatively cheap. The new GPU is getting more expensive and is now actually blocking keeping up to date with major…

I’m running Mojave on my cheese grater 2011 Mac Pro, but I’m guessing that’s because I already had upgraded the graphics cards and didn’t realize it (also upgraded CPUs, RAM, and a bunch of other stuff too). The cheese grater Mac Pros were one of the best machines Apple ever shipped imho.

Yep - they're great.

I've put in USB3, replaced the spinning disk with SSD, upgraded the WiFi and RAM, but haven't done the CPUs yet (already got dual 6 cores, so aside from a slight clock bump not much point).

My only concern is that the CPUs don't support something that the next major version will require, forcing a move off the MacPro 5,2 platform.

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"My next laptop will probably not be a mac." Yeah, you aren't the only one. They are seriously throwing away all the goodwill and reputation they'd built up over the past 20 years, over features no one is asking for like the touch bar and a ridiculously short key throw.

I already switched away from Apple to Linux in the last few months, and it's been awakening my passion for computers again. Best desktop environment for people who want a very good looking desktop is Deepin, and the Manjaro Community Edition with Deepin has been rock stable, very fast and very beautiful for me during the last few months I've been using it. Highly recommended. You don't need a MacBook anymore for thin…

For me, the problem is that I need a mac for iOS development (and sketch). I know I can rent an OSX machine in the cloud, but I foresee a lot of frustration going that route (plus high cost).

I currently own a maxed out 2017 15" model. The control and "H" buttons don't work. So I am using an external keyboard.

I could get them replaced, but service will take three weeks (due to high demand) and they have to have the actual laptop the entire time.

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Get a ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th gen with Arch Linux or Fedora. Forget CentOS.

I had an X1 Carbon and had so many issues I returned it for a refund after 2 months. I had two replacements and they both had quality control issues. Then the engineer who came to fix it broke the screen, twice! How you ask? Unfortunately with the X1 being so thin the display bezel is a piece of sticky plastic which is a nightmare to align on-site (really should be done in a factory with an alignment machine) and whe…

Which laptop will you consider next? A 2015 MacBook Pro?

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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I had the 2013 version, and then got the 2017 one. I don't have a use for the touch strip (in fact it gets in the way, as it can get accidentally touched), hate how easily the keyboard can gather detritus and get stuck, and dislike the bigger trackpad. On the other hand, I dig the enhanced display (brightness, color), better speakers, and am excited about the powerful i9/32GB/2TB options in this years model. Not sure…

> Linux of all varieties still sucks on laptops Sweeping statements like that are not helpful. The argument is far more nuanced. My wife's MacBookPro sometimes fails to wake from sleep, gets incredibly hot under load and doesn't support my displayport MST monitors, but I wouldn't claim that Mac laptops universally "sucked".

He's saying Linux hasn't improved. You're saying Macs have become worse. I agree on both counts.
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