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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by hw »

swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #105
cygned wrote: post #2

Holding off buying a new MacBook Pro at the moment. It’s like issues pop up every other week and I simply cannot buy a machine that is not reliable. Also looking into a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ CentOS as an alternative, even though it would be difficult. It’s a pity.

Buy a 2015 macbook pro, its the last one without any issues, superior keyboard, legacy ports as well. Smaller more compact touchpad as well The only downside is it is only thunderbolt 2, and they recently went away with external GPU support for new macOS updates. I paid $1500 for mine in practically brand new mint condition on amazon, buying a new a 2018 version was $2500 roughly for something that also had 512 GB SS…

I'm still holding on to my mid 2012 rMBP despite its battery almost nearing its end of life. Was hoping to upgrade this most recent refresh, but the lack of a non-Touchbar option just turned me off.

Thinking of just getting my battery replaced instead, but I'll consider looking at the 2015s

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by boulos »

blinkingled wrote: post #146

Problem is not that T2 chips are causing kernel panic - that stuff happens. Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place - another chip with its own OS running and handling the touch bar crap nobody cares about and many are annoyed by. Apple has gotten into NIH+Something fancy just to jack up the hype and prices too deep. I might be mistaken - but tell me if I am - how is…

While I’m also not interested in the touch bar, the T2 also handles other security functions like disk encryption and certifying your boot. So you’d still have the T2 even without the bar.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by marricks »

foepys wrote: post #154
wild_preference wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought my 2017 MBP last November and accumulated a whopping 7 loose keycaps that would come off with my fingers as I typed. It was so unusable that I had to use my 2013 Air to get work done. I returned to the States 2 weeks ago and took my MBP into an Apple store. The one nice thing I can say was that I was able to book an appointment online, drop my MBP off at the store, and 2 days later my repaired laptop arrived…

I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores?

I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house.

Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people were envious of my repair experience.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by natch »

protomyth wrote: post #143
natch wrote: post #113

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I sort of agree that that's somewhat unreasonable to expect... but on the other hand, a full macOS reinstall is pretty easy. You can opt to preserve data and settings while doing it, too. Or do a clean install and restore from backup which is unbelievably easy as well if your time machine backups are in good shape.

Try walking a non-technical user through it over the phone. It is not fun and $DIETY help you if they have a problematic internet connection.

Well the guy was an accomplished developer so... no need to move the goalposts.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by throwaway5752 »

eropple wrote: post #31
tbrock wrote: post #8

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Get a ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th gen with Arch Linux or Fedora. Forget CentOS.

The X1 is nice but the T480 is only a little bigger, handles heat a lot better, and has (mine does, at least) about 16 hours of battery life under Fedora. It's hard to really recommend the X1 (or T480s) as a developer machine, IMO.

The current t480 is great, $2500 buys you an incredible rig.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by fipple »

marricks wrote: post #163
foepys wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

It depends on how much you pay for the laptop. If you get the overpriced “enterprise” machines you get the on site support. I found it cheaper to just have extra hardware on hand.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by brazzledazzle »

marricks wrote: post #163
foepys wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

In my experience you have to buy the business class laptops for that level of service. You pay a bit more but the models are sturdier and the service is usually great. There aren’t “stores”, they just come to your business/house/wherever you are and repair it on the spot. On the rare occasion they don’t have the right part and you have to wait a couple more hours.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by rustcharm »

saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I took a Lenovo Yoga as a "burner" laptop to DEFCON. Got so many people asking about it, saying they liked the size, the pen and touch interface, and the look and feel. There are many good options today, and Windows 10 is just fine.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by fyfy18 »

collyw wrote: post #82
zouhair wrote: post #45

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First never a Lenovo ever again. Second that model doesn't have an Ethernet port, so that's another strike.

When it comes wit a dongle, why is that such a problem? The need to remember it? (Ethernet seems like a pretty uncommon thing these days).

In the enterprise (what the Thinkpad range targets), it’s still pretty common.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by binomialxenon »

trumped wrote: post #149
saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

> My next laptop will probably not be a mac. maybe it shouldn't even be a laptop

?

Laptops are portable. If you want something portable, it's gotta be a laptop.

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