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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by freedomben »

secabeen wrote: post #180
freedomben wrote: post #103

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I was completely unaware that Acer made ThinkPads, and that blows my mind. A quick google was not able to confirm that, which is not unexpected since that sort of rebranding is usually hushed. Do you have a source? Not saying you need one, but wondering if you already have one. Would be interested to read more. I've had a really bad opinion of Acers since buying one a decade ago, and currently have a high opinion of…

I found it, but it's really obscure. Check this out: 1) You can find a couple of threads where people either say Wistron makes Lenovo Thinkpads, and even one where someone finds the Wistron name on a X1 Carbon box they were shipped: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/x1-carbon-shipping-t... 2) Wistron is a spinoff of Acer. Specifically the Manufacturing/R&D wing of Acer. However, that spinoff happened in 2000, s…

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Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by snuxoll »

marricks wrote: post #163
foepys wrote: post #154

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I don't see how that is a pleasant experience. Other manufacturers of laptops in that price range will give you 3 years on-site support where they will send out a technician to replace as much as possible in front of you so you can keep working. Often they will even be able to replace the logic board within half an hour. Hell, my Thinkpad T420 had complete manufacturer created instructions on how to replace the displ…

“Other manufacturers have onsite repair” who does that nowadays and how accessible are their stores? I’ve had friends with HP, Dell, etc, laptops ship them off and wait a week to hear what is wrong and give them an estimate. And they usually had to ship it themselves. I had an Apple repair and it took less than a week with virtual no wait right by my house. Say what you will about their keyboard problems but people w…

I had a defective keyboard in my XPS 13 9333, many of the keys just straight up didn't register - I called Dell and two days later I had a tech in my dining room tearing the laptop apart and replacing the keyboard. No, I didn't have ProSupport or anything on it - this was the included one year warranty.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by octosphere »

swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #270
dan15 wrote: post #199

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> Also, programming environment is just so much nicer IMO on mac. Really? I had a Mac for a few years, but I found that I didn't like the environment as much as either Windows or Linux. A lot of programming environments work best on a Linux-like environment and don't do so well on something BSD-like (such as MacOS). There's a lot of open source software that only works on Windows and Linux, too... MacOS has such a sm…

I guess it dependsd what you are doing. I don't do C#, .net development /.net framework(WPF), game development, SQL-server, or things that are better on a native windows platform. So I don't really reap the benefits using a windows PC. Native folder navigation and terminal is much nicer on macOS. MacOS has better 3rd party programs for productivity in programming IMO. Iterm2 allows you to have multiple custom termina…

Have you considered virtualization? I tend to use MacOS merely as a hypervisor, where I can step into as many different OS environments as I wish. You mentioned how you like to use Windows; what about using it in a virtual machine?

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by pier25 »

stevep001 wrote: post #255
pier25 wrote: post #232

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I agree. Windows 10 is not ready to be used property as a tablet. For example, the only way to get a slider to adjust display brightness was opening the OS display settings. At least that was the case the last time I tried it.

Brighter = Fn + Del Dimmer = Fn + Backspace

In tablet mode with no keyboard?

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by coldtea »

saudioger wrote: post #115

IMO the 2015 Macbook Pro is one of the best laptops ever made. Don't know why they went and messed that up. I solidly regret the 2017 version. I've had one keyboard replacement already (that required the logic board to be replaced, seriously). Since then, I've already lost two keycaps. I've been ordering replacements online because they wanted me to ship it out for repair. My 2015 Macbook is being used daily by a fri…

I had the 2013 version, and then got the 2017 one.

I don't have a use for the touch strip (in fact it gets in the way, as it can get accidentally touched), hate how easily the keyboard can gather detritus and get stuck, and dislike the bigger trackpad.

On the other hand, I dig the enhanced display (brightness, color), better speakers, and am excited about the powerful i9/32GB/2TB options in this years model.

Not sure what they'll do with the strip, but the keyboard has to be fixed.

If it was up to me, I'd replace the touch strip with actual buttons that have tiny OLED screens and can show pictures on them, and try to come up with a 100% water/dust proof keyboard system that still has proper travel.

>My next laptop will probably not be a mac.

That's not an option for me. Linux of all varieties still sucks on laptops (and for creative use, e.g. video and music), and Windows doesn't have the Unix underpinnings that I rely on, plus the OS and ecosystem is even worse (I've used Windows for 20+ years, and use Linux for work every day since 1998).

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by blinkingled »

boulos wrote: post #162
blinkingled wrote: post #146

Problem is not that T2 chips are causing kernel panic - that stuff happens. Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place - another chip with its own OS running and handling the touch bar crap nobody cares about and many are annoyed by. Apple has gotten into NIH+Something fancy just to jack up the hype and prices too deep. I might be mistaken - but tell me if I am - how is…

While I’m also not interested in the touch bar, the T2 also handles other security functions like disk encryption and certifying your boot. So you’d still have the T2 even without the bar.

Ok, understood. But my point is that PC side disk encryption and secure boot are handled in a standard fashion (TPM 2.0/ UEFI Secure Boot / Intel TXT) without needing another ARM chip and it's own proprietary OS. It's the whole solution looking for problem thing. If I run Windows or Linux on the Mac I think I won't be able to use the T2 chip for anything.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by blinkingled »

wodenokoto wrote: post #221
blinkingled wrote: post #146

Problem is not that T2 chips are causing kernel panic - that stuff happens. Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place - another chip with its own OS running and handling the touch bar crap nobody cares about and many are annoyed by. Apple has gotten into NIH+Something fancy just to jack up the hype and prices too deep. I might be mistaken - but tell me if I am - how is…

> Problem is that nobody wanted the touch bar and thus the T2 chip there in the first place I think you are discounting the millions of people who never wanted the F-keys in the first place.

Sure but that doesn't mean the F-key haters wanted touch bar as a replacement! Because it's worse - at least the F keys were usable across the OSes equally without kernel panics.

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Post by cookiecaper »

eikenberry wrote: post #108
morganvachon wrote: post #76

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> Who are you going to get your laptop from now of you ignore all of those - especially if you're going to reinstall your OS immediately anyway? Clevo. They are a whitebox laptop manufacturer so you will find they are OEM for several smaller brands like MSI, Sager, and others. Yes they are Chinese market, but every laptop is made in China these days, even the big American names, so that part is unavoidable. If that t…

Clevo's hardware is not that great though. I've known several people get System76 Clevo systems and they've all been disappointed. I'm hopeful for System76's new systems, that they will up the quality significantly and make them compare-able to Thinkpads.

Yes, I had a Clevo-produced System76 model and I've had multiple hardware issues with it -- for starters, it failed to POST just days after receiving it, and System76 support did repair it, but they were not very accommodating about it, saying there was no way for them to provide a shipping method faster than ground even if I paid for it, etc. I want to like System76, but the truth is that my experience with them was disappointing.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Some anecdata: I’ve been using an iMac Pro which has the T2 chip (and thus, can experience these panics) for a while now and haven’t had a single kernel panic. In fact, I wouldn’t have even restarted this whole time if it weren’t for updates.

Similarly, I’ve used both second and third gen touchbar MBPs and haven’t had any problems out of them at all. They’ve both been about as reliable as my old 2015 MBP.

Not to say that others aren’t experiencing issues, but let’s not forget that the internet can act as a magnifying glass that makes relatively uncommon/infrequent bugs look much more widespread than they actually are.

Re: The new MacBook Pros with T2 chips do indeed kernel panic randomly

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Post by jpangs88 »

lloeki wrote: post #220
jpangs88 wrote: post #204

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Apple does have one model without a touchbar but it's thirteen inch and has lower specs. I am pretty sure it too has a T2 chip and the same keyboard flaws. It's what I'd buy if I bought a Mac but I don't think I will.

Since the T2 chip is mostly about the Touch Bar / Touch ID / secure enclave then no, the FN MBP doesn't have the T2 chip nor BridgeOS. Also, the FN MBP hardware hasn't been upgraded at all like the TB ones were, so the CPU is one gen earlier and thus dual core, while keyboard flaws remain since it's a non-fixed keyboard (the one without the rubber thingies)

The T2 chip also controls the secure boot functionality, I don't think that Apple would skip adding it in just because it doesn't have the touch bar.

Here is a link from Apple that says all of their Macbook Pro models have T2 chips from 2018 onward.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208862

But I still may be wrong though where did you read that the MBP without a touch bar doesn't have a T2 chip?

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