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Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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No, but they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage. And they are making it nearly impossible for anyone to use non-Apple-approved apps.

Isn't it nearly impossible to so much as download a file from the Internet on an Apple device, or have they changed that?

No, you can totally do this even on iOS.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple. This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're con…

From the article (which I wrote, happy to answer questions) ... this is quoted in the court decision i.e., was written by a judge not by the defendant: "PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”"

The PCKompaniet web site states that they use genuine Apple parts.

Edit: https://web.archive.org/web/20160327050030/http://www.pckomp...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple. This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're con…

The article flatly contradicts your claims.

The website of the company that the article is about does not. They state (and it's archived since they've changed it since the court case) that they use genuine Apple parts for their repairs.

Edit - https://web.archive.org/web/20160327050030/http://www.pckomp...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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> complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products Like what kind of actions? I can go to ifixit.com right now, order parts for my iPhone, order tools to work on my iPhone, and watch detailed instructions about how to repair my iPhone. (or Mac, or iPad, etc.) The products are NOT easy to work on, but I am not aware of any action that Apple has taken aga…

Actions like fighting right-to-repair bills in many states. While you may have the right to do that yourself, they don't want you to have the right to hire someone else to do it for you. They also don't want you to have the right to get those parts for your iPhone. Apple goes after producers and technicians, and not so much end-users. For one, I think end-users have rights, like the first-sale doctrine, which makes i…

I'm just hearing about this "right to repair" thing. It sounds from this article that the "right to repair" also includes forcing Apple to sell their parts to be used by anyone for repair. If that is the case, I think it is going to far. I don't think Apple should be forced to sell their parts to anyone. But I do believe that anyone should be able to repair any item they own or pay anyone else to do it.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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> So, there's labor, etc. But you're going to tell me that to repair something, that by your own diagnostics, is fine except for this one part costs 70% of the new purchase price? That's what a highly integrated machine gets you. Charge circuit defective => replace entire main board, including CPU, probably memory and storage too nowadays. No one is doing component-level repairs any more.

If you look at The current situation with ThinkPads it's obvious why no OEM would want to end up where Lenovo is now. ThinkPads built a decade ago are so durable and well-built with readily available replacement parts that they will most likely never go away entirely. CPUs haven't improved enough to make them a compelling argument for upgrading, and the end result is that modern day Lenovo is stuck competing with its…

Those Thinkpads were built by IBM. Lenovo took a stallion of a brand and drove it face down into the ground.

I tried to stay with Lenovo, but after the endless waves of shitware, spyware and low quality hardware (!) I had to give up. Thinkpad’s great name is thanks to IBM, and perhaps, maybe, a bit of early Lenovo. Maybe.

If Lenovo is competing with anything, it’s with IBM.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple. This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're con…

Where do you see any indication that this man was claiming to use genuine Apple components? I see nothing of the sort on his website[1]. The article specifically says that he made no claims of being authorized by Apple or using genuine Apple components and the court agreed with him. There was an Apple logo, on an internal component, which was covered up , because (at least according to the seller) they actually are A…

You don't see that on his website because he's changed it since the case went to court: https://web.archive.org/web/20160327050030/http://www.pckomp...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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>Wouldn't car parts be a much more accurate analogy, though? Yes. The FCC actually sent out reminders to phone companies two days ago reminding them that use of aftermarket parts cannot void a warranty. This also applies to things like "warranty void if seal removed" stickers etc. https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/04/10/ftc-reminds-phone-m...

It doesn't change your point, but that was the FTC, not the FCC.

It does a little bit. The FCC has teeth when it comes to maintaining their regulations. There's little else you can do to bring suits to your door faster than to operate an unlicensed transmitter. The FTC is not so potent, as indicated by the behavior of all these cell phone manufacturers for the past decade.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

At Ford™ we care about our brand. We want people who bought a Ford™ car to have the best experience we prepared for them. Other fuels may contain additives which make your Ford™ engine seem imperfect. A few misguided people are tempted by the siren call of the independent fuel suppliers to use something other than the Ford™ fuel specially made for your needs. When things go wrong, they spread rumors that Ford™ vehicl…

Well, automakers don't literally do that, but they might suggest you use the specific oil, coolant, or brake fluid that the dealer has. Sometimes much cheaper products are perfectly good and sometimes not. I have an old car that requires a particular type of automatic transmission fluid for the power steering system. People who don't research it and use generic "power steering fluid" say it can lead to leaking seals. The wrong type of radiator coolant is said to lead to all sorts of problems too.

The fact that there is a conflict of interest and the manufacturer will charge more doesn't mean that there aren't real issues.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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> they are making it very difficult for anyone to use, for example, non-Apple-branded cloud storage Which is why they added support for arbitrary file providers to integrate with iOS 11's Files app, and why they announced that iWork will support collaborating through Box last month?

I still can’t use whatever SMS app that I want to. I still can’t replace Safari as the browser that opens links from apps. I can’t replace contacts or the phone dialer and I can’t open contact address links in anything but Apple Maps. Heck, they don’t even let me organize my home screen the way that I want to.

That's the appeal though aswell right.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple. This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're con…

> the court decision states. “PCKompaniet has never removed the coverup of the Apple logo on the screens that have been imported and has no interest in doing so. PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”

You are incorrect. The Apple logos were covered up and the court findings state that they were never uncovered. I didn't see anywhere in this article where they say the owner was making claims about using genuine Apple parts.

But I do agree, it seems the right to repair stuff is not great. Repair whatever you want but don't force Apple to help you.

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