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Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by comboy »

vkou wrote: post #68
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

> They want people who bought iPhone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Since when is buying a deliberately un-maintainable device 'the best experience'? I would call that anti-user.

It's the choice some people make. I think user experience is very subjective. I love the user experience that Gentoo provides me, but others will feel better with Windows 10. I didn't mean to say that it's objectively the best experience.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by linuxftw »

Every time someone purchases an Apple product, they are endorsing their practices, whether wittingly or unwittingly.

Time and time again, we have observed that patents are a tool of the haves to prevent competition from the have-nots.

While this case may have been about 'trademark' infringement, it's clear that if patents didn't exist one could procure genuine replacement parts that don't 'infringe' on Apple's trademarks (which in this case is obviously a dubious assertion).

Every time a 'tech person' buys and espouses Apple products (and other patent encumbered products), others less educated in technology suffer.

Reach for free and open source alternatives whenever viable, and try to educate others on the important compromises they have to make when it comes to freedom. We could lose free software and any resemblance to right to repair or open hardware in a generation if we're not careful.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by mattsfrey »

shkkmo wrote: post #50
mattsfrey wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically that's just them locking you out of their distribution platform, I don't think they'd have a legal case against you though. People sell apps outside of the app store and haven't suffered any recourse from apple, at least not that I know of. EDIT: I guess you do have to technically agree to their terms to use the SDK and such, but if one were to get a hacked copy or whatever I think it'd be legal. They can…

How would a hacked copy make it more legal. Wouldn't using their software without a license also be illegal?

I mostly just meant you wouldn't be breaking laws technically to go around them via reverse engineering. To your second statement that's actually a good point, it could be. I mean in general overall it's going to be pretty outrageous to try and legitimately develop going around apple entirely, so the OP's point is valid de facto, just saying in principle they can't lock people out in the absolute sense under current law.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by dijit »

geezerjay wrote: post #53
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

> They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. It's quite obvious that, to put it mildly, that's wishful thinking inspired by a heavily rose-tainted view of Apple. Meanwhile, Apple is known for their extreme price gouging complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products, let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

Apples 'price gouging' is just smart business. How do you get people in the low end to buy your product. But get the best margin on the high end?

The base model of their products are perfectly servicable and price competitive for the quality. They just know what the wealthier consumers are willing to shell out for.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by jkoebler »

dpkonofa wrote: post #2

This will get canned on the appeal, guaranteed. The article is a bit misleading because they're not going after him because he's doing aftermarket repairs. They're going after him because he's claiming that the repaired devices are using genuine parts from Apple, which even have the Apple logo on them, yet they weren't purchased from Apple. This is my biggest complaint with the "Right to Repair" movement. They're con…

From the article (which I wrote, happy to answer questions) ... this is quoted in the court decision i.e., was written by a judge not by the defendant:

"PCKompaniet does not pretend or market itself as Apple authorized and does not give any indication that the repair comes with an Apple warranty.”"

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by gruez »

jammi wrote: post #63
ivoras wrote: post #44

After watching things like this (Louis Rossmann), https://youtu.be/FeUBdMU2qA0 , if I ever buy an Apple product I'll basically treat it as unrepairable.

Yeah, but still their laptops are much more durable than the competitors'; https://i.imgur.com/eKq8ZCG.png Someone who repairs a single brand of products will have a skewed image of the big picture. He'll basically only receive items too damaged to be repairable by others, but he has no data on whether he receives 1/million or 1/2 whatever and makes the assumption every single one of them are like the ones he receive…

> https://i.imgur.com/eKq8ZCG.png

> "microsoft" has the highest breakage rate

is microsoft really bad at making hardware or something? or is it all the technically inept people thinking their windows laptop is made by microsoft?

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by IBM »

comboy wrote: post #47
mattsfrey wrote: post #30

"Apple does not ‘own’ the product after they have sold it" I think this is the crux of the issue. The guy was importing refurbished parts with the logos covered even. They weren't counterfeits. How does a manufacturer have the right to sue for copyright infringement when it's just end users reselling authentic parts? The owner even states he in no way markets them as OEM parts. Frankly I think it's pretty obvious app…

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

Well you have the right to do what you want with it. That's the thing about "Right To Repair", you already have the right to do it now. It's not illegal to open up your iPhone and replace a broken screen, Apple just doesn't support it by selling you genuine parts.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by jandrese »

geezerjay wrote: post #53
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

> They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. It's quite obvious that, to put it mildly, that's wishful thinking inspired by a heavily rose-tainted view of Apple. Meanwhile, Apple is known for their extreme price gouging complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products, let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

Apple basically doesn't compete on the low end for phones. The space is overwhelmingly dominated by Android devices. This also happens to be the largest segment by volume, which is a big factor in how Android devices sell in much greater numbers than iPhones.

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by squarefoot »

comboy wrote: post #47
mattsfrey wrote: post #30

"Apple does not ‘own’ the product after they have sold it" I think this is the crux of the issue. The guy was importing refurbished parts with the logos covered even. They weren't counterfeits. How does a manufacturer have the right to sue for copyright infringement when it's just end users reselling authentic parts? The owner even states he in no way markets them as OEM parts. Frankly I think it's pretty obvious app…

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

"I think they should be allowed to design products to make repairs as hard as possible if they want to"

Not the 1st time they did that apparently. https://web.archive.org/web/20170103102649/blog.irepairnatio...

Re: Apple Sued an iPhone Repair Shop Owner in Norway and Lost

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Post by snowwrestler »

geezerjay wrote: post #53
comboy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they want to squeeze every cent. I think they just care about the brand. They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. Even if you buy some used iphone. If somebody buys some used iphone and it acts weird or the build quality seems imperfect because some parts were replaced, then this person may spread opinion that iphones suck. I'd guess that's their reasoning.…

> They want people who bought iphone to have the best experience they prepared for them. It's quite obvious that, to put it mildly, that's wishful thinking inspired by a heavily rose-tainted view of Apple. Meanwhile, Apple is known for their extreme price gouging complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products, let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

> complemented with extreme actions to stop even their very own customers from even repairing their broken products

Like what kind of actions? I can go to ifixit.com right now, order parts for my iPhone, order tools to work on my iPhone, and watch detailed instructions about how to repair my iPhone. (or Mac, or iPad, etc.)

The products are NOT easy to work on, but I am not aware of any action that Apple has taken against individual customers who want to repair their own products.

> let alone upgrade them to a usable state.

Personally speaking, I'm still using a 2008 Macbook Pro today because I was able to order and install more RAM (even above the recommended limit), a new SSD, and a new cooling fan.

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