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Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by mikulas_florek »

aninhumer wrote: post #378
mikulas_florek wrote: post #273

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>The perception that female photos look fake is still sexism Except it's not. Stock photos of good looking women are routinely used in marketing to attract users. It's proven by stats from A/B testing.

So the gendered assumption is the result of a gendered marketing practice which is based on gender differentiated responses to images (which are proven by stats )? But there's no sexism involved here? Okay, I'm being glib, but this idea that thinking of a plausible causation with no further critical analysis means it's "not sexism" is kind of exasperating.

>But there's no sexism involved here?

I'm only saying a person using good looking woman as an avatar because of a/b testing does not make him sexist.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by grasshopperpurp »

nugi wrote: post #420
grasshopperpurp wrote: post #402

And, no one should have any issue reporting those people to their employers. If you act like scum, particularly with your employer in your profile, society should punish you.

Your personal views should not affect your employment. Take your facism elsewhere.

Did you miss the post I was responding to? Let me help you out. >I also see some pretty terrible behavior in Facebook comments on news sites/blogs right next to people's names, employer and a photo of them with their kid.

Did you miss what this thread is about? It's about rude or trolling messages and sexual harassment.

Are you intentionally missing the point?

Edit: reposting my previous reply, because you made the same mistake.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

zeveb wrote: post #443
staticelf wrote: post #307

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When I play online games, in this example PUBG, I think a part of the fun is to be rude and aggressive before the match starts. You're about to virtually shoot them in the head so saying something rude to random online gamers doesn't feel at all bad. Other people often respond back, just as rudely and I think it's hilarious. It can't be just me who thinks and acts like this? Context matters a lot in my opinion. Altho…

> When I play online games, in this example PUBG, I think a part of the fun is to be rude and aggressive before the match starts. You're about to virtually shoot them in the head so saying something rude to random online gamers doesn't feel at all bad. You're right about how in some context trash talk is expected & part of the game, but maybe it'd be better to play games in which one doesn't practise insulting, mocki…

When you're playing a competitive game, loving the opponent is counterproductive. A tribal mindset is useful in games that have tribes(teams).

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by Chris2048 »

taneq wrote: post #207
loup-vaillant wrote: post #139

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"Julia" isn't being insulted more than "Eric" because of sexism. "Julia" being insulted more than "Eric" is sexism. The causes of sexism is another subject. But the first step is to acknowledge sexism is going on in the first place.

What? No. "A man and a woman are treated differently" is not sexism unless there's a causal link between their sex and their treatment.

I'd add - it also usually has to be unjustified and harmful per common usage.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by mikulas_florek »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #440
aninhumer wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the gendered assumption is the result of a gendered marketing practice which is based on gender differentiated responses to images (which are proven by stats )? But there's no sexism involved here? Okay, I'm being glib, but this idea that thinking of a plausible causation with no further critical analysis means it's "not sexism" is kind of exasperating.

That's literal sexism then... As in it's literally made to trigger sexual areas of your brain to get your attention. If you wan't to insist that it's wrong to be biologically wired like that, Go on. But... idk.

No, the person is using sexism of other people, but that does not mean he/she himself/herself is sexist.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by sctb »

jakobegger wrote: post #101

Amazing. The author spends a lot of time to tell us a very convincing story how sexism affects people in our industry, and the Hacker News thread is full of people rationalizing it. - it's only because people think you're a bot - it's because of your target audience - it's because chat widgets are annoying - you don't really have enough data to make any conclusions How much will it take to convince the average HN rea…

> How much will it take to convince the average HN reader that sexism actually is everywhere?

Many comments in this thread are lamenting these dismissals, which happen to be languishing at the bottom while this comment as well as the original article are massively upvoted. If I were to draw a conclusion about how the community generally feels about this issue, it would be opposite to yours.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by drewmol »

nukeop wrote: post #382
mnx wrote: post #296

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VPN providers keep logs even when they say they don't, your browser transmits an often unique fingerprint, vulnerabilities allow disclosing real ip, and so on. Even darknet market operators with all the reasons for trying to be anonymous and paranoid get outed. It's just a matter of how much resources it takes.

Why would a VPN provider disclose customer info to a random third party? Why would you assume that the majority of VPN providers lie to customers? Why do you think people who want to stay anonymous don't know how to throw off browser fingerprinting?

>Why would a VPN provider disclose customer info to a random third party?

Money

>Why would you assume that the majority of VPN providers lie to customers?

Money. There's no way to confirm their claims, and if logging+selling data= more money, there's a reasonable assumption that is indeed the case.

>Why do you think people who want to stay anonymous don't know how to throw off browser fingerprinting?

Even if they do, it's difficult, ever changing, and easy to slip up.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by oarsinsync »

nukeop wrote: post #382
mnx wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VPN providers keep logs even when they say they don't, your browser transmits an often unique fingerprint, vulnerabilities allow disclosing real ip, and so on. Even darknet market operators with all the reasons for trying to be anonymous and paranoid get outed. It's just a matter of how much resources it takes.

Why would a VPN provider disclose customer info to a random third party? Why would you assume that the majority of VPN providers lie to customers? Why do you think people who want to stay anonymous don't know how to throw off browser fingerprinting?

VPN providers often don't run their own networks, but instead run on other ISP networks.

Those underlying ISPs have data that can be used to correlate (with a scary amount of accuracy in a remarkably short space of time) your flow to the VPN server against a flow from the VPN server to a remote host.

Without exaggerating, lives have been saved through this technique. Once the technology exists for one purpose, it can be repurposed very easily.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by Slansitartop »

notyourday wrote: post #313
acranox wrote: post #226

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Ok, but do you think those 12 year olds are going to all grow up to be well behaving adults? Or maybe the problems with this kind of sexism are starting very young. If you are right then the solutions still need to be addressed, but we need to start earlier.

I am going to speculate that it is incredibly unlikely that those 12 year old are going to grow up to be well behaved adults. I'm also going to speculate that the vast majority of those twelve year olds do not telegraph their wickedness to anyone in their life or their social circles - parents, teachers, relatives, etc because for last several decades US adult population has been playing ostrich pretending that the d…

> it is incredibly unlikely that those 12 year old are going to grow up to be well behaved adults

I'm glad you're very unlikely to work in any kind of K-12 educational setting, given how eagerly you write kids off.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

mschuster91 wrote: post #344
lokopodium wrote: post #291

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Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either. It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?".

> Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either. But vastly more men catcall or grope women than the other way around. That's the issue. > It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?". To assert power and dominance (both attributes that are part of the common definition of "masculinity" in western societies).

You say the last sentence like the concept of masculinity varies greatly among different societies. Are there any societies in the world where men aren't more assertive, aggressive, and power-seeking? I kind of thought they were fundamental psychological differences between men and women overall[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology

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