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Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
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Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#432Kids who grew up in an environment where anonymous interaction is the norm (such as kids who have anonymous social chats at school, or do in-game chats etc) have grown so accustomed to it that I don't think they even see it as sexist, racist, bullying etc. Most would probably never say any of this to someones' face, not out of fear of consequences but simply because they know better. Yet in anonymous contact they don…
It used to be said that a drunk person would tell you exactly what he or she thinks about you or about any topic. Internet anonymity ( or semi-anonymity ) does not affect the character. It exposes the character.
I don't think that changing the environment inherently reveals someone's "true" character. You're just revealing how they behave in that environment. We are just too complex to be reduced to such a simple experiment as "anonymity" to discover our true nature.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#433And, no one should have any issue reporting those people to their employers. If you act like scum, particularly with your employer in your profile, society should punish you.
Your personal views should not affect your employment. Take your facism elsewhere.
Perhaps, but OP was referencing actions not views.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#434Kids who grew up in an environment where anonymous interaction is the norm (such as kids who have anonymous social chats at school, or do in-game chats etc) have grown so accustomed to it that I don't think they even see it as sexist, racist, bullying etc. Most would probably never say any of this to someones' face, not out of fear of consequences but simply because they know better. Yet in anonymous contact they don…
> Kids who grew up in an environment where anonymous interaction is the norm...
I generally agree that the kids should get off my lawn, but the G.I.F.T. meme was created in 2004, and Usenet was a rough neighborhood even back before most posters here were born:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/
Actually, the a.s.t trolls were probably more vicious and effective than today's variety. That's just how people are.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You're about to virtually shoot them in the head so saying something rude to random online gamers doesn't feel at all bad. Other people often respond back, just as rudely and I think it's hilarious. Examine what you're saying here. You're saying because YOU don't feel bad when you do it to others, it's okay. And because people retaliate, that makes your initial act of rudeness ok, as if that's what the other party…
> Just because someone returns your behavior doesn't mean they LIKE that sort of behavior, or are even okay with it. Trash talk has a long history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash-talk The whole point is for the other side not to like it and get knocked emotionally off-kilter and lose focus, giving you a competitive edge. It's part of the metagame.
It is also generally considered unsportsmanlike and in most cases does not contribute to the game or sport. It reduces the competition from, "Who is best at game strategy and mechanics?", to "Who is best at heckling away any real advantage their opponent actually had?"
For most online games I don't see how the latter could ever be considered an improvement to the game.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#436It's disappointing that so many comments in this discussion are trying to explain away the problem rather than to come up with a solution for it.
While there might be some valid solutions that can be conceived for the problem, I highly doubt the problem will ever go away.
People on the Internet use the veneer of anonymity afforded to them by the Internet to behave in a manner very different from a face-to-face interaction.
The chat box in the post isn't very different from being approached in a retail store by a salesperson. And while I'm sure retail salespeople receive their share of abuse/rude comments from customers for asking "Can I help you", I think it's a safe bet that abuse/rudeness is still way lower than the same interaction online.
When I read that article, I just felt sad. I'm probably a little older than the average HN'er -- the Internet didn't become "a big thing" until my 20s, and in my lifetime, I've seen how technology has undeniably advanced and changed the world for the better. But I often wonder whether that same technology has made people better or worse.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either. It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?".
> Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either. But vastly more men catcall or grope women than the other way around. That's the issue. > It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?". To assert power and dominance (both attributes that are part of the common definition of "masculinity" in western societies).
I believe it happens more to women. But ask an attractive male bartender or waiter. We shouldn't hand wave those abuses away either.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Rude people are sexist" or "Sexist people are rude" is about the only conclusion you can draw here (maybe not even that, correlation != causation etc etc) It doesn't even come close to showing how "sexism is everywhere". For all we know the sample could be entirely edgy 12 year olds. Tell me again how this self-admittedly "non-rigorous scientific study" proves "sexism is everywhere"? It could easily be that more att…
I am so glad someone on HN is here to enforce rigorous standards when it comes to this topic, in particular. Because there have been multiple accounts of bad behavior, both subtle and not-subtle, at tech conferences ( https://shift.newco.co/what-its-like-to-be-a-woman-at-a-tech... , https://blog.juliaferraioli.com/2014/08/do-you-even.html ), but those aren't studies, they're just isolated experiences, so we can ignor…
The OP is suggesting an important question though: what if the vast majority of this ubiquitous harassment comes from a tiny minority of men whom few others here are even aware of?
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#439I think anyone remotely familiar with the internet won't be surprised by these outcomes. Of course the occasional reality check is always good. I wonder to what extent plucky startups expect abuse when they put pop-up chat dialogs in their products. I imagine it's inescapable that some percentage of your user base is going to see it as an invitation to respond poorly. Something door-to-door salespeople and telemarket…
There was almost zero abuse on the male cofounder image. So by what this story presents as long as you pretend to be guys plucky startups don't have to worry.
Not really. The cat got the least amount of trolling. What these people are doing is really asking for their time getting wasted by a bot before being transfered to a human customer support operator.
Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The perception that female photos look fake is still sexism Except it's not. Stock photos of good looking women are routinely used in marketing to attract users. It's proven by stats from A/B testing.
So the gendered assumption is the result of a gendered marketing practice which is based on gender differentiated responses to images (which are proven by stats )? But there's no sexism involved here? Okay, I'm being glib, but this idea that thinking of a plausible causation with no further critical analysis means it's "not sexism" is kind of exasperating.
That's literal sexism then... As in it's literally made to trigger sexual areas of your brain to get your attention.
If you wan't to insist that it's wrong to be biologically wired like that, Go on. But... idk.