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Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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How many more instances of this happening do we need before people believe there's actually a problem in society surrounding sexism? Honestly I expect to see equivocation more than indictment in the comments section here.

Its more than sexism. It's misogyny. Or sarcastic emulation of misogyny, for trolling. Which has the same impact on targets.

However, it's hard to know how prevalent these attitudes and behavior are. Because observations aren't independent. One asshole posts on some chan about a fun target, and then his friends compete with each other. And it could even be scripted.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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A lot of this has to do with the target audience you're drawing: meme makers.

Meme makers are all pretty much going to be unsocialized and autistic douche boys & gamers and who seek to make memes for 4chan or Reddit. They're trolling, so obviously you're going to draw terrible people.

If your site was selling expensive fashion items, you're going to see a completely different reaction.

Know your audience.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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I think anyone remotely familiar with the internet won't be surprised by these outcomes. Of course the occasional reality check is always good.

I wonder to what extent plucky startups expect abuse when they put pop-up chat dialogs in their products. I imagine it's inescapable that some percentage of your user base is going to see it as an invitation to respond poorly. Something door-to-door salespeople and telemarketers learned long ago. I suppose abuse filtering is still an unsolved problem waiting to make someone rich.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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These chat messenger pop-ups can be quite annoying, the example on the site mentioned is typically 'in your face'.

What's particularly frustrating with this one is that there is already a prominent speech bubble icon in the corner of the screen that suggests they have a chat feature - if I want it. It doesn't need to crack open after a second and slap me.

I am not defending the obvious misogyny here but I think an experiment that starts out by peeing off its subjects can not be fully objective?

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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After reading through the entire post, what I found lacking is a break down of what percentage of actual visitors & unique message senders were abusive. It appears to be extraorinarily low. One in a thousand visitors or so. There's no question she was being abused because she was a woman. From what I can tell by their stats, that abuse appears to be coming from literally a handful of bad actors over a month's time, w…

I suspect that you're deliberately missing the point, but I'll tell it to you anyway.

It's not about the percentage of visitors that were abusive. It's the number of people who were abusive when they thought they were talking to a female vs. a male.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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post #11
post #2

How many more instances of this happening do we need before people believe there's actually a problem in society surrounding sexism? Honestly I expect to see equivocation more than indictment in the comments section here.

Its more than sexism. It's misogyny. Or sarcastic emulation of misogyny, for trolling. Which has the same impact on targets. However, it's hard to know how prevalent these attitudes and behavior are. Because observations aren't independent. One asshole posts on some chan about a fun target, and then his friends compete with each other. And it could even be scripted.

Or it could be a pattern repeated over thousands of years that requires serious intervention.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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post #2

How many more instances of this happening do we need before people believe there's actually a problem in society surrounding sexism? Honestly I expect to see equivocation more than indictment in the comments section here.

I don't think this is anything new at all in itself. Chats, anonymous comments, forums, public walls, etc just allow these weirdos to express themselves out of that place of theirs that is unattached to reality.

Already in the 90's there were a few handfuls of pesterers of the similar kind on IRC. There would've been more but IRC was such a nerdy tool underground that only a few of them ever found themselves there.

But the phenomenon has there for a long time: it's just that before internet there were few places where you could do this in public. I think most of the similar chatter must have happened between male friends of young age, hanging out and exchanging comments on hot-looking passer-bys and maybe wooing after some or alternatively yelling bitchy remarks.

Even this wouldn't be tolerated in better parts of the town. But on the internet, all you need is a text input box.

Re: Why I don't use my real photo when messaging with customers on my website

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Wow.. Never done it myself, nor any of my friends, I never realized that this was such a huge problem. I read articles in the past but I always though they were exaggerating. Like I can't believe boys can be so rude online.

Thanks for making time and writing the article and including the comments.

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