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Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down. This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misl…

Glass roof is standard on Model S too now...

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

Same. After reading had no interest in model 3 as it screamed "Unworthy" and somehow not comparable to the what, 5 year old model s?

Not really thinking well done as I feel like it misses and possibly alienates both markets.

And 2 displays wow! What a premium feature.

Call it the way I seat it. /sorry

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I shared this note 2 months ago on my linkedin. Still valid today. https://www.linkedin.com/hp/update/6256148575126986752 Tesla is facing a potential big problem. New buyers are holding off and are waiting to see the final specs and price of the Model 3. This could harm a lot Tesla sales until Elon Musk reveals to the public the Model 3. I also believe Tesla did a mistake by naming the Model with a number. In the min…

I don't think anyone who is serious about spending 70k+ on a car is going to be swayed by the model name. They're likely looking deep into the details and comparisons.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I think the whole point of it is to say "The Model 3 is NOT the next-gen Model S." The problem with the naming scheme (that Elon admitted was dumb) is that people assume it's the next version. In reality the Model S is a BMW, while the Model 3 is a Ford. They aren't even the same class of car.

Even calling the Model S a BMW is stretching given, for the price, how bad the interior is, how average the performance is (outside of the P100D), and how poor their customer support and QA is. Tesla has no comparison in the auto industry. The Model S is a $35k upcharge, minimum, over comparable traditional automobiles, just for the electric powertrain. The Model 3 might get that number down to $15k. Nothing we've se…

Wow. So pleased to see there are not a ton of Tesla fanboys on here. I feel like I'm in good company.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I don't get it. I used to drive a Mercedes 200D (W123) for some years, and 112 km/h was my preferred speed. Overtaking a truck does take some planning if I don't want to be an obstacle on the left lane, but you know, at that speed I had a lot of time to plan :-) (For the others: that car is from 1978 or so; I had two models, one with 55 hp and one with 60 hp, both Diesel. The car is ridulously heavy at 1.8 tons or so…

I hate to break it to you, but if you enter the left-most lane of the autobahn doing 112 km/h, you DO NOT have enough time to plan. There could be a vehicle doing 250 km/h overtaking you in the left lane, behind a curve, and you wouldn't even see them until they rear-ended you doing 2x your speed...

Don't drive 250km/h if you cannot see the traffic ahead. It's a public road.

No speed limit != no responsibility.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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> Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there The Prius has an above-the-wheel driver display (source: I drive one, and have been in every generation of Prius sold in the US, and my wife drives a Prius C) in addition to the center console touchscreen. It's higher, and nearer the centerline, than the old behind the wheel displays, but that is to allow your eyes to not come as far from the ro…

Well to be completely honest the screen on the Model 3 [0] looks to be about the same height as the dash cluster on the Prius [1]. Or at least it's close enough that the shorter half of the population won't notice. But again, either way I'm confident that Tesla is going to be within regulation. They are already getting so much scrutiny/bikeshedding about the center display, I can't imagine them not following the requ…

> But again, either way I'm confident that Tesla is going to be within regulation. They are already getting so much scrutiny/bikeshedding about the center display, I can't imagine them not following the required laws. With so much attention on it, it'd be silly to have it all get fucked up by not having the screen positioned a few inches differently.

Considering Tesla has actually lobbied to a few European governments to change the law, it seems like they try to attack the problem from that side instead of actually fixing it on the hardware side.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

I feel that's a cop-out. A fully self-driving world is easily 5 years away, and even then why would I not want relevant info in front of me?

You wouldn't want that info in a self-driving car for the same reason you don't want that info when you hop in an Uber or a Lyft. When you aren't driving, it's not useful.

That world may be five years away, but Tesla claims the Model 3 you buy this year will be fully self-driving, so it stands to reason they'd design it with that future in mind.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

> It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today. People sure are willing to reach with their rationalizations. You might be right. But consider that, maybe, Tesla has to remove what they can because they now realize that making a $35k EV without losing piles of money is very, very, difficult.

> Tesla has to remove what they can

I agree with this, but cost savings and forward thinking design aren't mutually exclusive. I think the constraints of the former make the latter even more evident. Most cars with only one screen provide a driver's display. So why did Tesla choose a center display instead? I think it's because in the world they see coming, the center screen will be more useful.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

That's something that I hadn't considered. Have we received confirmation that the Model 3 will be available with the optional full suite of self-driving sensors? On the Model S, this includes two high-priced options: 1. Enhanced Autopilot ($5000) quadruples the number of cameras from 1 to 4 and adds 12 ultrasonic sonar sensors and additional computing power to crunch the data. 2. Full Self-Driving Capability ($3000)…

Yeah, Tesla has confirmed that the Model 3 will have the same self-driving hardware suite as S/X. No details yet on the software activation cost.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

I think this is a nice comparison. Obviously the S is going to be better but maybe some people are confused and see the model 3 as being the successor. This puts it into better perspective.
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