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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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There is a misconception that the Model 3 is the most advanced Tesla model simply because it is the newest Tesla model. This was cannibalizing the sales of the Model S more than Tesla expected it to. Buyer who could afford a Model S or Model X were waiting for the Model 3 because they were under the mistaken belief that the Model 3 would offer all the newest, cutting edge technologies and self-driving capabilities. A…

I'm a tiny bit surprised there isn't a Model S2/Model S3/Model S4/etc.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#152
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One thing I noticed last year when driving in France for the first time, compared to the UK was that there was a much greater difference in speed between the lanes. I imagine the difference would be even greater on the Autobahn. In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it - very large vehicles are limited to 60mph. So emerging from the left lane to go around something slow onl…

> In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it Are you kidding? Try doing 70mph in the third lane of a non-busy motorway and see how long it takes someone too be dangerously close behind you.

That's something different. Of course there are loads of people speeding too.

One other thing I notice is that different motorways in the UK have different characters. On some, yes people do tend to stick to the limit, and on others not so much. I haven't spotted a correlation yet with the locations of speed cameras.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#153
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This is actually incorrect. When you ask a German how far away another city is, their first question will be: "What kind of car do you drive?" The biggest difference is that in Germany, the speeds are more sustained. In the US, cars generally drive in whatever lane they feel like, so your speed is constantly changing. So even a difference of 180 vs 140 will be significant. (and it could easily be 200 instead of 120).

This is untrue. Are you seriously attempting to use a colloquial joke as some sort of evidence? While Germans are a bit more conscious of driving in the left lane when not passing, what you are saying neither makes sense, nor is it applicable, especially in any amount of traffic. It also totally discounts the vast amount of road construction and maintenance that Germans continually do on their roadways (infrastructur…

I've driven plenty in both the US and Germany and the road etiquette in Germany is light years ahead of the US.

If I choose to drive 120/130 on the autobahn I have a much higher chance of doing so continually than if I choose to drive 75 Mph on an Interstate highway in the US.

I'll give you my anecdotal evidence from last year's trip to Germany. I took a ~550 km trip, and while I don't have actual GPS data from my trip on hand, I do remember that I was able to drive roughly one third of the way in sections with no speed limit and no traffic/construction.

For 2/3 of the way my average speed (including traffic and construction) was 122, so that took 3 hours. For the rest (1/3) of the way I was able to travel with unlimited speed. Traveling 183 km at 183 km/h (average) vs. 122 km/h saved 30 minutes of my trip.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I had to convert units to miles per hour to get a handle on the situation. For others in my boat: You're going 80-93 mph in the center lane, and the unsafe driver impeding you is going 80 mph. In order to overtake this erratic driver, you need to move to the left lane and accelerate to 93-110 mph. The trouble is, on the Autobahn, drivers in the left lane are usually traveling at speeds of 110-137 mph, and often times…

I believe you have a slight conversion error. I don't think you're seeing speeds of 200mph. (that would be 320+ kph!)

No, the 180-200 mph was an observation that I added. I've seen Mercedes AMGs, M3s, M5s, RS6 Avants, R8s, Porsche Turbos, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, motorcycles, and similar performance vehicles doing 180-200 mph on the Autobahn. In person and in videos posted to forums.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Yes and no. If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. So Germany could very much block the Tesla Model 3 from EU roads.

>If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. Huh? How does that work? What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?

> What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?

Merkel's enforcers have a stern word with the French administration, who will then cave in. As always.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#156
If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down.

This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misleading. By the tone of the spec table, you'd think a well-equipped Corolla will be competitive with the Model 3.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#157
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Almost every vehicle, even budget sub-compacts, have driver displays now. The utilization of that display varies from nigh useless (odometer, oil minders, etc.) to very useful (navigational directions, at-a-glance music selection via steering wheel based controls, etc.). Removing this display from the Model 3 seems like a design choice intended to artificially distinguish and demote the Model 3 from the Model S.

It's a design choice toward a self-driving world, where instantaneous road notifications are less important to a person in a car than they are today.

That's something that I hadn't considered. Have we received confirmation that the Model 3 will be available with the optional full suite of self-driving sensors?

On the Model S, this includes two high-priced options:

1. Enhanced Autopilot ($5000) quadruples the number of cameras from 1 to 4 and adds 12 ultrasonic sonar sensors and additional computing power to crunch the data.

2. Full Self-Driving Capability ($3000) doubles the number of cameras from 4 to 8.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume…

No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.

I wonder if there will be aftermarket driver displays. If all the data you need is on the CAN bus, should be just a question of mounting points and power wiring.

I joined the Model 3 wait list the day it opened and I'm really looking forward to getting one. The biggest concern I have so far is the lack of driver display.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

#159
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Do you really need to overtake someone doing 130 km?

No, at least not for me: My plan is buying the Model 3 and then engaging the autopilot in such a case - and just travel behind whoever is driving with 130 km/h in front of me. So for me - a reliable autopilot for the Autobahn is much more important than the top speed.

Do you want to die?! Do not use the Tesla autopilot unless you are in a medical emergency and cant operate the vehicle.
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