I will happily be wrong about this, but isn't a lead time of a year for a "mass market" vehicle a bit of an ask. Last time I bought a car the "lead time" was a week.
Luckily that's a self-driving problem.
Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#12I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
I'm confident that it will go 200km/h - but you will run out of battery quite fast at those speeds (in much less than an hour), as it's obviously a lot less efficient.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#13The salient difference is the free use of supercharger for Model S.
Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case.
In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily.
I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#14I will happily be wrong about this, but isn't a lead time of a year for a "mass market" vehicle a bit of an ask. Last time I bought a car the "lead time" was a week.
It really depends what you order, a colleague of mine had a build to order Mercedes as a company car and had to wait 6 months until he could pick it up in Sindelfingen.
It really does depend, yeah. I've been eyeing the Volvo S90 since they came out, so I went to their concept store in Stockholm around Christmas time last year and put together a configuration that seemed nice. Estimated delivery date of the 2017 model I built would have been sometime this fall, I think they said 9 months. I imagine the 2018 model is backed up even more.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#15I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
> Model S is viable in that regard, just too expensive
Wow, even the 2nd-hand price for a Model S in DE is €60k. I wonder why are they all Pxx models?
https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/preowned?model=ms&sort=price|asc...
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#16I'm really interested in the topspeed. For german customers all the current gen EVs(Bolt/i3/Leaf/Ioniq) with a topspeed of 140-150km/h are to my opinion not really save to drive on the Autobahn as you don't have some speed buffer to overtake someone who's driving 120-130km/h fast enough. If Tesla manages to give the Model 3 a top-speed of 200km/h that would be a game-changer and make it a viable car for me. The Model…
Well that really depends how you drive / how the cars accelerate. I've experienced being on the autobahn and not being able to overtake because I can't accelerate fast enough (turbocharger on my car had broken, pedal to the floor and was only managing 120-130). I wouldn't however class it as dangerous. I find acceleration perhaps more important as the car has to be able to speed up enough to merge onto the autobahn safely before the merge lane comes to an end.
When you just have to say 'My car can only do 120-130 so I will only drive 120-130'. 130km/h is also the 'recommended top speed' for the autobahn so these cars should really have no problem.
I won't disagree that in the reasonably priced EVs you're not going to be speeding down the left lane overtaking everyone. For that you need a Model S / Model X / i8 at the moment.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#17I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume…
No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really depends what you order, a colleague of mine had a build to order Mercedes as a company car and had to wait 6 months until he could pick it up in Sindelfingen.
It really does depend, yeah. I've been eyeing the Volvo S90 since they came out, so I went to their concept store in Stockholm around Christmas time last year and put together a configuration that seemed nice. Estimated delivery date of the 2017 model I built would have been sometime this fall, I think they said 9 months. I imagine the 2018 model is backed up even more.
Toyota does it in one week.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#19I'm not sure what was already known. This page shows both the model S and the model 3 side by side: Car length: 196.0" vs 184.4" 0-60mph Acceleration: as quick as 2.3s vs 5.6s Range: 249-335 Miles Range (EPA) vs 215+ Miles Range Supercharging: Free Unlimited Supercharging vs Pay Per Use Supercharging Passengers: Seating for 5 Adults + 2 Children vs Seating for 5 Adults Cargo: 30 cu ft Front & Rear Trunk Cargo Volume…
No driver display in model 3? This will be a big disappointment for many people.
It only mentioned the digital displays. There may well be analogue, like most cars have.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#20The salient difference is the free use of supercharger for Model S.
Hmm, in my case, not at all. Depends on your location and use case. In my London situation, 95% of my journeys will be within 50 miles easily. I imagine it's more of an issue in the US and similar.
Average travel time seems to be about 25 minutes in the US (https://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acs-15.pdf) so I suspect that for most of the driving that people actually do the Model 3 will be more than adequate. The problem is what counts as a day trip in the US is much further than in the UK. Of course you could just rent an ICE car for longer journeys. I have a colleague in Raleigh NC who rents a car when he drives to Florida (long weekend, not day trip) even though he has a perfectly good car of his own. His reasoning is that he can often get special offers so it is cheap, reduced wear an tear on his own vehicle, and if an incident occurs he won't have much to do and no impact on his car insurance.