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Full price is on the model 3 page at https://www.tesla.com/model3 $35,000
What? Not $34,999?
Interestingly, that extra dollar will pay an entire salary for an engineer at Tesla in a year or two.
Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
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It seems like it'd be pretty easy to find a referral, however.
I believe most Tesla YouTube videos include referral links as owners get a monetary kickback for the referral. It wouldn't surprise me if enthusiasts that haven't bought a Model S yet are going to go through one of those links as opposed to an outright purchase from the website, especially if the supercharging limits are known.
You can only do five referrals per code.
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Future Y crossover makes it "S3XY". I love a billionaire with a cheeky sense of humor.
Just wait for the Tesla Pickup... Model I ;) I S3XY Then the next version of the roadster... the Model M (play off BMW M series...ubiquitous already for performance) IM S3XY
Model H
HI S3XY
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
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As many people seem to take issue with my statement that I find it less safe if I don't have the option to overtake quickly someone who is doing 120-130km/h, i'd like to describe a situation which I notice at least once a week on the Autobahn: I'm going 130-150 in the center lane, normal traffic flow speed. Someone in front of me in the center lane goes 130, but drives rather unsafely, serves to the left and right, b…
I don't get it. I used to drive a Mercedes 200D (W123) for some years, and 112 km/h was my preferred speed. Overtaking a truck does take some planning if I don't want to be an obstacle on the left lane, but you know, at that speed I had a lot of time to plan :-) (For the others: that car is from 1978 or so; I had two models, one with 55 hp and one with 60 hp, both Diesel. The car is ridulously heavy at 1.8 tons or so…
I hate to break it to you, but if you enter the left-most lane of the autobahn doing 112 km/h, you DO NOT have enough time to plan. There could be a vehicle doing 250 km/h overtaking you in the left lane, behind a curve, and you wouldn't even see them until they rear-ended you doing 2x your speed...
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#175I was at a Tesla dealership the other day, and the "sales associate" or whatever they call them was really pushing me away from the Model 3. He said, "Think of it like an electric Civic. It has no luxury features. The dashboard is a flat board like a picnic table. It has no speedometer or any gauges in front of the driver (it's all on the touchscreen in the middle). It doesn't have air conditioning on the passenger side, or even a glove box. The entire $30K of the car is for the battery."
It almost made me want to pull my Model 3 reservation.
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#176If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down. This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misl…
> you'd think a well-equipped Corolla will be competitive with the Model 3.
When I was at the Tesla store, this is what they said. Their exact words were, "Think of it as an electric Honda Civic".
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
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If given the choice I prefer a non-powered trunk opening. Opening and closing a trunk provides no hardship for me, and doing it myself is much faster than waiting for a mechanism.
> much faster than waiting for a mechanism Are you in a race to get going? I can't see you being in your seat, buckled and engine started before the mechanism closing? Not being snarky, it's just not that compelling a reason - to me.
i think the point is that the powered one is not very compelling. He even pointed out a slight benefit to the standard mechanical ones.
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As someone that loves to drive fast (hell, I am forced to drive a Prius right now and 195km/h is the norm, where possible), I have to agree with bemused. If you can't do 100 reliably (I drove a lot of Citroen 2CVs) the Autobahn sucks, because now busses and some trucks try to overtake you. If you can do 120 you're fine. You might not be fast and probably stay on the right/middle lane, but there is absolutely nothing…
EVs have boatloads of torque available, so they can generally propel you near the top speed in reasonable time before it plateaus, and more often than not the problem isn't so much on the mechanical power side of things but on the electrical power storage and delivery one (heat, battery wear). So it's entirely unlike a 2CV which can't go fast and can't go halfway near top speed quick because the two values are direct…
EVs have boatloads of torque at low speeds. The challenge with Teslas on the autobahn is that they have one gear, which reduces their top speed and torque at high speeds compared to a multi-gear transmission.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
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I'm one of those people. I think the deposit was put down in a moment of excitement, which has since died down quite a bit. Not only am I one of those people who gave them a deposit, I'm also likely one of those people who they meant to target: I drive a BMW 3-series, which would be the Model 3's main competitor. Now given all that, this display made me really not excited about the Model 3. Electric car is nice but t…
Personally I could never drive a ICE car when an equivalent electric vehicle presented itself. I would never forgive myself. Everyone needs to get to electric cars as soon as possible or we cook and die here on Earth. It makes the arguments about the interior seem really tone deaf. Again, personally. EDIT: Autopilot and constant software updates are huge.
I think your response is a bit narrow and takes my response out of context. It also ignores a number of other issues to make electric cars look better than they really are.
1. Electric cars use a lot of copper and lithium. Mining of both are horribly polluting. The worst EPA superfund site is a former copper mine. Lithium mining is also pretty bad. However they are at least localized.
Electric cars still need power, most of which still comes from carbon emitting sources. Until the world switches to renewables, electric cars still generate carbon indirectly. California and other areas are much better about this but Tesla Model 3 customers don't all live in CA.
2. I was trying to answer the initial question from the perspective of a potential customer of the Model 3. If someone is as passionate about the carbon emitting issue as you, they can already do that with Nissan Leaf, BMW i3, or Chevy Volt. They don't need to wait nor pay more for the the Tesla Model 3. So within that context, the other things that make BM3 3-series what it is matters. These things include the interior, etc.
3. BMW already do updates over the air but not nearly at the rate that Tesla does. Tesla really has embraced software whereas other carmakers treat it as an overhead. I really hate how Autopilot is presented. It's not really self-driving because they keep telling you to be involved in the driving process. Until they can confidently say it's completely autonomous, it's more of a novelty than an useful feature.
Edited: Kudos for being so passionate about the issue. It does matter to me and which is why I still haven't completely dismissed the Model 3 as a choice.
Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison
#180If you're one of the people who put down the $1K refundable deposit, how do you feel about this page? I understand they're trying to push Model S sales, but don't do it at the expense of customers willing to wait years and put a hefty deposit down. This strikes me as a rare misplay by Tesla. The Model 3 comes with a glass roof standard so it's conveniently left out of the premium options section -- that's pretty misl…
I'm one of those people. I think the deposit was put down in a moment of excitement, which has since died down quite a bit. Not only am I one of those people who gave them a deposit, I'm also likely one of those people who they meant to target: I drive a BMW 3-series, which would be the Model 3's main competitor. Now given all that, this display made me really not excited about the Model 3. Electric car is nice but t…
> I drive a BMW 3-series, which would be the Model 3's main competitor.
See my other comments about how at the Tesla store they describe the Model 3 as a competitor to the Civic and Corolla, not the BMW and Lexus.