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Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by OJFord »

mnw21cam wrote: post #46
martin_bech wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No its about following the rest of the traffic. In the unlimited sections, traffic is 130++ km/h (up to 200-250 in overtaking lane), So if you are slower, changing lanes, overtaking etc. becomes less safe.

One thing I noticed last year when driving in France for the first time, compared to the UK was that there was a much greater difference in speed between the lanes. I imagine the difference would be even greater on the Autobahn. In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it - very large vehicles are limited to 60mph. So emerging from the left lane to go around something slow onl…

> In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it

Are you kidding? Try doing 70mph in the third lane of a non-busy motorway and see how long it takes someone too be dangerously close behind you.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by OJFord »

mnw21cam wrote: post #46
martin_bech wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No its about following the rest of the traffic. In the unlimited sections, traffic is 130++ km/h (up to 200-250 in overtaking lane), So if you are slower, changing lanes, overtaking etc. becomes less safe.

One thing I noticed last year when driving in France for the first time, compared to the UK was that there was a much greater difference in speed between the lanes. I imagine the difference would be even greater on the Autobahn. In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it - very large vehicles are limited to 60mph. So emerging from the left lane to go around something slow onl…

> In the UK, the motorways have a speed limit of 70mph, and most people actually do it

Are you kidding? Try doing 70mph in the third lane of a non-busy motorway and see how long it takes someone too be dangerously close behind you.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by Shank »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #35
osteele wrote: post #31

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Model S supercharging for new vehicles is free only "with referral" - if the owner induces someone else to buy a vehicle too (tracked via a referral code). They didn't add back free supercharging as part of the original purchase. This only strengthens your main point.

It seems like it'd be pretty easy to find a referral, however.

I believe most Tesla YouTube videos include referral links as owners get a monetary kickback for the referral. It wouldn't surprise me if enthusiasts that haven't bought a Model S yet are going to go through one of those links as opposed to an outright purchase from the website, especially if the supercharging limits are known.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by Arizhel »

kuschku wrote: post #136
holydude wrote: post #74

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Now Germany speaks for the rest of the EU countries?

Yes and no. If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all. So Germany could very much block the Tesla Model 3 from EU roads.

>If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all.

Huh? How does that work? What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by gutnor »

XJOKOLAT wrote: post #110
gutnor wrote: post #67

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In my London situation, 80% of my journeys will be within 20 miles. However, I don't have a garage or even a house. I park on the street and I would need at least 1 weekly trip to some charging station. In the 5% times I go over that distance, I will need to stop to charge when leaving and coming back ( considering I have never driven in the direction of a SuperCharger, so the only one available is in London ) So wel…

Accepted, I wouldn't want to be solely dependant on a supercharger. I'm not even sure I need a supercharger. Has to be home-charging for me. It's possible, at this point in time, that maybe you aren't the demographic. I wouldn't blame Musk for that, really. More of an city infrastructure issue. I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction. T…

> I mean, I don't see a huge push towards generic charging points all over the city despite things moving in that direction.

In London at least, the push is to get less car on the road, regardless if they are electric or not. There is no need to encourage electric adoption, only discourage cars and discourage more the one that are not electric.

I had a breakdown earlier this year and managed just fine over 2 months without the car. We fixed it because there is just no convenient way to go see the family or move children around easily and safely.

The fix for that however is probably coming from a combination of Uber-like services and automated car rental ( as long as they get to your home and back to the rental lot, you can manage the rest of the way ), rather than personal car ownership electric or otherwise.

We are not quite there yet, but considering my last car lasted me 15 years and counting, if I have a next one, it will be my last.

edit: BTW, no blaming Musk. It's not his fault if his products are desirable outside his target demographic.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by natch »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #35
osteele wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Model S supercharging for new vehicles is free only "with referral" - if the owner induces someone else to buy a vehicle too (tracked via a referral code). They didn't add back free supercharging as part of the original purchase. This only strengthens your main point.

It seems like it'd be pretty easy to find a referral, however.

I wonder. It depends how they do it. If each owner only has one referral to give, it would be harder.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by baq »

pjc50 wrote: post #62
dgudkov wrote: post #29

I couldn't stop feeling like this page is nothing else but a promotion for "Model S" which is "superior and now" rather than the other car which is "inferior and 1 year later". Price would've been the biggest (and only) reason for "Model 3" but it's not shown on the page. Added extra details for "Model 3" is a nice trick to boost virality of the promotion aimed at its target audience -- potential Model 3 buyers. Well…

"New and better but not available yet" is the classic marketing error known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

in this case, model 3 clearly isn't supposed to be better.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by mrexroad »

anindha wrote: post #103
Tostino wrote: post #97

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No, it was because Ford holds the trademark for Model E: http://insideevs.com/ford-motor-company-filed-for-model-e-tr...

Why not drop Model from the name? Porsche 911 vs Porsche Model 911. Tesla S vs Tesla Model S.

Ironically, the Porsche 911 was originally supposed to be the 901, but Citroen owned 901 so Porsche had to rename.

Re: Tesla Model S and Model 3 comparison

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Post by Cshelton »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #135
jngreenlee wrote: post #126

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So now we have S3X, which is much more 'elite' for the tech crowd ;)

Future Y crossover makes it "S3XY". I love a billionaire with a cheeky sense of humor.

Just wait for the Tesla Pickup... Model I ;)

I S3XY

Then the next version of the roadster... the Model M (play off BMW M series...ubiquitous already for performance)

IM S3XY

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