Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses • Hacker News Board

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by jdietrich » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 4:41 AM UTC

w8rbt wrote: post #86

niftich wrote: post #50

If you broadcast amateur radio, is it possible to 'hide' from enforcement? Are there mechanisms that an enforcement authority can use to find your physical location? Is it possible to ostensibly rebroadcast a government-approved channel, but with additional stenography or mixing to embed information?

Near Vertical Incident Skywave (NVIS) HF transmissions are very difficult (likely impossible) to track from the ground. They go almost straight up. Hams call them cloud burners. However, they are limited to 200 - 400 mile radius. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_vertical_incidence_skywav... You'd need a dipole (14 AWG wire) about 5 meters above the ground or an 80 meter loop about 10 meters up. If setup right, the…

Earth-Moon-Earth or exotic digital modes are also a possibility. EME is impossible to triangulate if you're using a suitably directional antenna. A creative interpretation of the Shannon-Hartley theorem allows for communication below the noise floor using low symbol rates and wide bandwidth. LF and below is difficult to triangulate because of the huge wavelengths, but a workable antenna would be rather conspicuous. You might also get lucky with meteor scatter or sporadic E.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:10 AM UTC

abrookewood wrote: post #103

wildmusings wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather live under a liberal, pro-Western, secular military junta, than an illiberal democracy ruled by Islamists who are destroying liberties, hollowing out civil society, and turning the country into a Sunni version of Iran under the Ayatollahs. Fareed Zakaria has a great book, The Future of Freedom , where he discusses, among other things, the perils of illiberal democracy. The bit that really stuck in my head…

I agree with you, but I can't help but feel that this position isn't defensible. Don't they have the democratic right to move to a more religious society if the majority want it?

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Post by brianchu » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:52 AM UTC

jstalin wrote: post #92

_asummers wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's that karma threshhold, if you know offhand?

Must be quite a bit. I have 3700+ and still can't vouch.

It has to be [flagged]/dead to vouch.

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Post by dang » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 5:56 AM UTC

pinewurst wrote: post #36

secfirstmd wrote: post #24

Can anyone tell me why this article got flagged on HN????

This is relevant for HN as it involves the attempted crackdown on individuals using technology to communicate. Especially when it involves a channel that doesn't go through a government gatekeeper.

That argument is tenuous, because the thread inevitably turned into just another generic political thread about Turkey.

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Post by dingaling » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 6:39 AM UTC

alecco wrote: post #101

secfirstmd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately NATO probably needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. -refugees, refugees, refugees -2nd biggest military in NATO -Incirlik Airbase -Access and control to Syria -Radar and other intel gathering equipment looking over Russia's belly and Middle East -blocking Russian access to the Med -human intelligence

I'm losing sleep thinking of Puting attacking Turkey, playing his cards. NATO won't start WWIII for this wacko. But the consequenses could be huge.

Curiously enough, Turkey is the only member of NATO for whom Article 5 ( automatic response in event of an attack on a member ) had to be explicitly extended:

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17245.htm

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the territory of Turkey or on the islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer

And interestingly that therefore makes it the only member for which there is a clear process for specifically revoking Article 5 protection.

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Post by kyriakos » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 7:43 AM UTC

allendoerfer wrote: post #29

What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…

You don't sound like politician material. To put it in perspective Dictatorship for a politician is the equivalent of your startup taking over all your competitors and achieving monopoly. It just feels good - its absolute power for a minute or two until you start facing the consequences.

Power is addictive and its human nature. Think of a dictator as a junkie looking for a better high.

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Post by melchebo » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 8:30 AM UTC

There a Turkish ham radio operators replying on the blog that they know of nothing of this kind. Maybe this "news" was made up?

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Post by drinchev » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 8:46 AM UTC

sciurus wrote: post #83

DashRattlesnake wrote: post #4

Is he going to start revoking driver's licenses next? I doubt anyone could stage a successful coup if they're forced to use the bus.

Speaking of travel, he's banned all academics from traveling abroad. Also ont he topic of education, he's ordered the closing of more than 600 schools, the resignation of more than 1,500 university deans, and revoked the licenses of 21,000 teachers. http://nyti.ms/29SUzis http://nyti.ms/29VJihy

I also read somewhere about book stores being smashed, because of selling books against Erdogan. Can't find the source, because I'm on my phone.

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 10:04 AM UTC

bllguo wrote: post #104

nashashmi wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is a coup is opposite to that of Democratically elected process. "Part of their purpose" means the democracy is a farce, and there was never a choice of the people.

The assumption that democracy is an undeniable good, that democratic government suits all nations, needs to be revisited.

It's not democracy that is the problem in Turkey.

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Thu, Jul 21, 2016, 10:09 AM UTC

jondubois wrote: post #69

And to think that Turkey was considered for EU membership - That's definitely off the table now. It's a testament as to how quickly Turkey has declined. Even without EU membership, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Turkish people will try to relocate to Europe and elsewhere. This would be a massive brain and capital drain for Turkey - Especially given that this is a country which was considered safe and progressive…

I don't think that was ever very serious, just a carrot waved about in the hope they wouldn't go in the direction they have.