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Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by nashashmi »

rtkwe wrote: post #18
twblalock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, the people of Turkey were going to be screwed no matter how the coup went. If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. Now they get a different kind of dictatorship instead. Erdogan was slowly evolving into a dictator before the coup, and now he's accelerating that process. I wonder if the best outcome for democracy in Turkey would have been a attempted coup which resulted in Erdo…

> If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. That's not a given. Turkey's military has staged quite a few coups over the years and that's really part of their purpose in the Turkish government order. After a few years power usually transitions back to normal democratic elections.

The point is a coup is opposite to that of Democratically elected process. "Part of their purpose" means the democracy is a farce, and there was never a choice of the people.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by jstalin »

_asummers wrote: post #65
brianchu wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: users with enough karma (like myself) can click "vouch" on flagged posts. My guess is if enough users do this, that will unkill it (like it did now).

What's that karma threshhold, if you know offhand?

Must be quite a bit. I have 3700+ and still can't vouch.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by utku_karatas2 »

wmf wrote: post #51
utku_karatas2 wrote: post #34

I am flagging down all Turkey related threads these days. I don't see how political debates about the failed coup is a subject to be discussed on HN.

There's potentially an interesting discussion to be had here about the technical and political effects of ham radio during disruptions in "official" centralized communications systems, e.g. during a coup or counter-coup crackdown. But of course we're just getting a "Turkey politics 101" thread instead.

That's exactly why I've been flagging. The discussions are almost identical with some conspiracy theories, how Turkey is going backwards and how much Erdogan sucks. This is just r/WorldNews level stuff right there.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by tim333 »

onetwotree wrote: post #66
finid wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's another Hitler in the making, but no, NATO will not revoke Turkey's membership. The US needs Turkey for the war in Syria. And the US is not about to move all those nukes elsewhere.

I think the present situation in Turkey is a great argument in favor of putting the nukes somewhere else. I believe they're all gravity bombs, which makes them mostly symbolic, just like the nukes we store in other NATO countries.

And there are 50 bombs weighing 320 kg each so less than a B52 loads worth. They can take them here to the UK as far as I'm concerned. It's not like anyones likely to want to actually use any in the foreseeable future.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

onetwotree wrote: post #67
dragonwriter wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone want to take bets how long until NATO will revoke Turkey's membership? Well, Erdogan's regime is threatening to end its friendship with the US if Gülen isn't turned over, so any termination of the relationship may not come from the NATO side.

That's when we'll know he's really gone off the rails. I think I read that Kerry had said something like "sure, we'll extradite him...if you have evidence that he committed any crimes." Since any evidence they do have is likely to be pretty weak, this seems like a classic "remember that USA is the boss of you" move. A reasonable Turkish leader wouldn't call that bluff, but Ergodan seems to be slipping deeper and deep…

> Since any evidence they do have is likely to be pretty weak, this seems like a classic "remember that USA is the boss of you" move.

I don't follow how you got from A to B there; I don't read Kerry's position as asserting American authority or sovereignty at all, to be honest. It's a standard for extradition which is a sovereignty affair as well as a legal due process consideration in our system of government, but not in the manner of asserting American authority to 'boss' Turkey around.

We refuse the occasional extradition to the UK, for example, despite having a special relationship with them and not tending to diplomatically 'boss' them around, so I'm not following your thinking here. (It's not a great example because of the 2003 treaty we have with them, but the point stands about refusals.)

I'm also not following how you arrived at the American position being a bluff.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by baudehlo »

waterphone wrote: post #84
baudehlo wrote: post #81

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But after this, will that ever be allowed to happen again? This coup, false flag or not, has spelled the end of that control.

Probably not. My only point was that in Turkey, a coup does not necessarily mean a military dictatorship. Which people apparently disagree with despite the facts and downvote me angrily for saying. This fucking site, man.

This site is better than most - I gave you an upvote to show that :)

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by tim333 »

allendoerfer wrote: post #29

What's the point of being a dictator? I sometimes think of really cool stuff one should do and think: "Well you would have to be a dictator to do that.". Maybe I am indoctrinated in Western propaganda but off the top of my had I cannot come up with a cause that is worthwhile enough to pursue if you consider the negative consequences of a dictatorship. Maybe AI, space stuff or immortality - essentially the same thing.…

>What's the point of being a dictator?

A lot of them seem to steal money / do corrupt things first and then an attraction of being a dictator is you can live your life without going to court / jail. Erdogan wasn't so bad till the "audio recordings in which Erdogan was reportedly heard telling his son, Bilal, to urgently get rid of tens of millions of dollars." thing. Since then he's been a going bit more dictatorial.

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by darkmarmot »

nashashmi wrote: post #91
rtkwe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it had succeeded, they would have got a military dictatorship. That's not a given. Turkey's military has staged quite a few coups over the years and that's really part of their purpose in the Turkish government order. After a few years power usually transitions back to normal democratic elections.

The point is a coup is opposite to that of Democratically elected process. "Part of their purpose" means the democracy is a farce, and there was never a choice of the people.

Historically, the population has voted for dictatorial islamists -- and has been saved only by secular military intervention.

It's the standard problem of having a democracy that votes to end democracy. In America, we get Trump, which is debatably similar...

Re: Turkish government revokes ham radio licenses

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Post by germinalphrase »

niftich wrote: post #50

If you broadcast amateur radio, is it possible to 'hide' from enforcement? Are there mechanisms that an enforcement authority can use to find your physical location? Is it possible to ostensibly rebroadcast a government-approved channel, but with additional stenography or mixing to embed information?

Not a HAM - but are their broadcasting devices that would fit in a car/motorcycle/bicycle that could be timed to switch between broadcasts on different devices in a random order for x amount of time (i.e. Radio A sends for 30 seconds, fades out as Radio B fades in with same message from a different, moving location)?
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